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In The Matter Of: IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE 110 S.W. JEFFERSON AVE., SUITE 430 PEORIA, IL 61602 PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] [EMAIL REDACTED] Original File 10-7-14_HRG_PAULA.txt Min-U-Script® with Word Index ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 1 1 BEFORE THE MCLEAN COUNTY ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS 2 IN RE: Applicant of Minard ) 3 Oil Run Company, Bradford, ) ) 4 ) 5 6 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS had at the 7 hearing of the above-entitled cause, taken before 8 Paula A. Morsch, C.S.R. License No. 84-002965, a 9 Certified Shorthand Reporter in the State of 10 Illinois, on the 7th day of October, 2014, at the 11 hour of 7:00 p.m., at McLean County Government 12 Center, 115 E. Washington Street, in the City of 13 Bloomington, County of McLean, State of Illinois. 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Page 2 1 PRESENT: 2 LIVINGSTON, BARGER, BRANDT & SCHROEDER 3 BY: William C. Wetzel, Esq. 115 W Jefferson St., Suite 400 4 Bloomington, IL 61702 for the Applicant, Minard Run Oil Company; 5 6 BOARD MEMBERS: 7 Sally Rudolph, Chair Phil Dick, Director 8 Julia Turner Marc Judd 9 James Finnigan Brian Bangert 10 Chris Carlton Michael Kuritz 11 12 Donald Knapp, Civil Asst. State's Attorney; 13 Eric Schmidt, County Highway Engineer; 14 Michael Behary, County Planner; Dr. Nelson, County Expert. 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Page 3 1 MS. RUDOLPH: McLean County Zoning 2 Board of Appeals will please come to order. The 3 secretary will call the roll. 4 MR. DICK: Jim Finnigan? 5 MR. FINNIGAN: Here. 6 MR. DICK: Mark Judd? 7 MR. JUDD: Here. 8 MR. DICK: Michael Kuritz? 9 MR. KURITZ: Here. 10 MR. DICK: Sally Rudolph? 11 MS. RUDOLPH: Here. 12 MR. DICK: Julia Turner? 13 MS. TURNER: Here. 14 MR. DICK: Drake Zimmerman? Brian 15 Bangert? 16 MR. BANGERT: Here. 17 MR. DICK: Chris Carlton? 18 MR. CARLTON: Here. 19 MS. RUDOLPH: Seven members 20 constitute a quorum. We can conduct business. At 21 this time I'd like to affirm our staff. 22 (McLean County staff, Eric Schmidt and Michael 23 Behary, were affirmed.) Page 4 1 2 MS. RUDOLPH: I hope you all have a 3 copy of the document that Mr. Knapp is talking 4 about. 5 MR. DICK: Chairman Rudolph, can we 6 have Dr. Nelson also affirmed since he's probably 7 going to be also answering questions? 8 MS. RUDOLPH: Do you wish to be sworn 9 in or affirmed? 10 MR. NELSON: Sworn in. 11 (Dr. Nelson sworn) 12 MS. RUDOLPH: Hopefully everyone has 13 a copy of this document, as I said. When you come 14 to testify or ask questions, we ask you to turn on 15 one of these microphones. We'll have you up here 16 and it's a little button here at the bottom. We 17 want you to be sure to turn it on. You just noticed 18 we affirmed our staff and we swore another staff 19 person in. If you would like to be I will 20 generally be swearing people in. If you prefer to 21 be affirmed, at the time I ask you to raise your 22 right hand, just so indicate. 23 So the applicants have come forward and Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] Pages 1 - 4 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 5 1 we'll now have the introduction of the application 2 and board evidence by the secretary. Thank you. 3 MR. DICK: The first exhibit that I 4 have to pass is their application, and the second 5 exhibit I have is a narrative by the applicant and 6 it's relatively long, but otherwise I don't think 7 the people and the zoning board will have a chance 8 to hear it all. It was included with your staff 9 report, but I'll read it. 10 Minard Run Oil Company, or MROC, is 11 applying for a special use permit to drill a well 12 for the production of oil and gas. The proposed 13 well will be located on the O'Rourke farm in Section 14 15 Township 22 North Range 3 East, McLean County, 15 Illinois. The following narrative is intended to 16 provide an overview of the drilling and oil 17 production processes and the companies involved in 18 this venture in support of MROC's application. 19 MROC will be the operator of the proposed 20 well. They will be solely responsible for the 21 drilling and operation of the well. MROC is the 22 oldest family-owned independent oil company in the 23 world. The company has been in business since 1875 Page 6 1 and is headquartered in Bradford, It 2 continues to be an active oil and gas producer in 3 and New York. In recent years MROC has 4 expanded its operations into Illinois with the 5 drilling of exploratory wildcat wells in Macon and 6 Hamilton counties. 7 MROC intends to use Illinois-based 8 consultants and contractors to conduct its 9 operations here. It is estimated that seven 10 employees would be contracted during the drilling 11 phase and one employee contracted during the 12 production phase of one well. This allows MROC to 13 gain knowledge about the area through the benefit of 14 people working who have local knowledge and 15 experience. 16 The on-site consultant for MROC will be 17 Robert C. Herr, a consulting petroleum engineer from 18 Mt. Vernon, Illinois. Herr is a licensed Illinois 19 Professional Engineer and independent oil operator 20 with over 45 years experience in oil field 21 engineering and operations. 22 An area in Section 15 Township 22 North 23 Range 3 East of the Third Principal Meridian in Page 7 1 McLean County has been identified as being favorable 2 for oil and gas accumulations by subsurface 3 geological studies and seismic surveys. An oil and 4 gas lease conveying to MROC the right to drill for 5 and produce oil and gas has been obtained from the 6 O'Rourke trust who own the surface and mineral 7 rights in the favorable area. A title opinion is 8 obtained from an attorney to verify that all of the 9 oil and gas rights under the proposed drill site 10 have been leased. After title to the oil and gas 11 lease is cleared, the oil company will have the 12 location for the initial well staked by a licensed 13 surveyor or professional engineer. Application is 14 then made to the Illinois Department of Natural 15 Resources for a permit to drill. That's IDNR. IDNR 16 reviews the application and issues a permit to drill 17 if the application is found to be in order. Permit 18 No. 063906 for the drilling of the O'Rourke No. 1 19 was issued by IDNR on October 20, 2014. The permit 20 issued by the IDNR will state any special conditions 21 imposed by the agency. Permits issued by the IDNR 22 specify the amount of surface casing that must be 23 set for protection of fresh water aquifers. Surface Page 8 1 casings is something that I'm sure the applicant 2 will explain later. 3 Wells in McLean County require 350 feet of 4 surface casing to be set and cemented to surface for 5 protection of the Mahomet aquifer. MROC is well 6 aware of the importance of the fresh water Mahomet 7 aquifer to the area. A consultation with the 8 Illinois State Water Survey revealed that the 9 Mahomet aquifer does not underlie the proposed well 10 site. MROC will still construct the O'Rourke well 11 to protect any potential source of fresh water. 12 During the drilling of the well, a string 13 of steel casing will be cemented from the bedrock to 14 the surface to protect water supplies. If oil 15 production occurs, a second string of steel casing 16 will be cemented inside the first one providing a 17 total of four layers of protection for the aquifer. 18 This is twice the protection required by the IDNR 19 rules. 20 The lease agreement covers 275 acres and 21 gives MROC the right to enter on and use the surface 22 for oil drilling and production activities. Stephen 23 O'Rourke and Chad Gher live in houses located on the Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] Pages 5 - 8 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 9 1 lease. 2 MROC requests that the special use permit 3 conform to the O'Rourke oil lease which would allow 4 additional wells to be drilled in a timely manner if 5 the initial well is successful. MROC acknowledges 6 that they are limited to the number of wells for 7 which drilling has begun within five years or 8 thirteen wells, whichever comes first. The exact 9 location of the O'Rourke Well No. 1 is 997 feet 10 north and 996 feet east of the southwest corner 11 of the southeast quarter of Section 15 in Downs 12 Township. A plat showing the location of the first 13 well and possible locations for additional wells is 14 included as an attachment. 15 The actual drilling process is begun by 16 advising the surface land owner that drilling 17 operations will commence soon. If the surface owner 18 also owns the oil and gas rights, surface access 19 agreements are not needed, as these rights are 20 conveyed to the operator by the oil and gas lease. 21 If the surface is owned by someone other than the 22 oil and gas rights owner, the Drilling Operations 23 Act provides the framework for notification to the Page 10 1 surface owner and access by the operator. The 2 operator will meet with the surface owner and 3 attempt to agree upon the least intrusive way to 4 access the drill site. Contact will be made with 5 road commissioners and similar government officials 6 to obtain any required access or road use permits. 7 Road use agreements will be obtained from the county 8 and township officials. The county road 9 commissioner has been contacted and is preparing an 10 agreement as of the date of this narrative. 11 Drilling rigs and related equipment are subject to 12 the same road restrictions as farm trucks and 13 related service equipment. Crude oil hauling trucks 14 are also subject to road restrictions. Load sizes 15 are limited to comply with local rules, and hauling 16 can be suspended during the spring thaw. The 17 estimated number of semi truck trips during the 18 drilling of one well is two trips. 19 When all necessary permits have been 20 obtained, drilling may commence. MROC will use a 21 truck mounted rig to drill the O'Rourke No. 1 well 22 because of the smaller footprint. The location will 23 be prepared by removing and stockpiling the topsoil Page 11 1 at drilling bit sites. The rig is then moved to the 2 site, rigged up and drilling commences with fresh 3 water based drilling mud. An eight and 4 three-quarters inch or larger hole is 5 drilled to approximately 350 and seven-inch casing 6 is set at total depth and cemented to the surface in 7 compliance with the IDNR drilling permit conditions 8 for the protection of fresh water zones. After 9 cement is set for eight hours, a blowout preventer 10 is installed on the surface casing, pressure tested 11 for leaks, and drilling resumes with six and a half 12 inch bit to a depth sufficient to penetrate the 13 suspected oil producing zone. This depth is 14 expected to be approximately one thousand and fifty 15 feet deep for the O'Rourke well No. 1. During and 16 after drilling various tests such as cores, drill 17 stem tests, and geophysical logs are made to 18 determine if the well is capable of commercial 19 production. Shaped charges are not used in the 20 drilling process. They are only used in the 21 completion process to perforate holes through the 22 steel casing and surrounding cement sheath into the 23 oil producing formation. Page 12 1 A blowout is defined as the uncontrolled 2 flow of fluids from a well. Blowouts in Illinois 3 are extremely rare because of the low pressure found 4 in the oil-bearing formations and improved drilling 5 techniques and equipment. Drilling rigs install 6 blowout preventers on top of the surface casing to 7 prevent blowouts from occurring. In the unlikely 8 event of a loss of well control and blowout, a 9 company specializing in well control would be 10 brought in to deal with the situation. Local fire 11 departments and emergency services people do not 12 have the training and equipment to deal with these 13 problems and should refrain from attempting to do 14 so. 15 If the well is not deemed capable of 16 commercial production; i.e., it is a dry hole, it is 17 plugged in accordance with IDNR rules. In the case 18 of the O'Rourke Well No. 1, a solid cement plug will 19 be placed from four hundred feet back to four feet. 20 The rig is then moved out. The surface casing is 21 cut off four feet below the surface of the ground. 22 The drilling mud is land farmed. The pits are 23 filled and the topsoil is placed over the pits. The Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] Pages 9 - 12 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 13 1 final inspection and approval of the site 2 restoration is made by the IDNR. 3 If the well is deemed capable of 4 commercial production, a four and a half inch 5 production casing is run to the bottom of the well 6 and cemented back to the surface. Note that the 7 fresh water zones now have four layers of 8 protection, two layers of steel casing and two 9 layers of cement. The drilling rig is then moved 10 out and a completion rig is moved in to prepare or 11 complete the well. 12 The completion process consists of 13 perforating holes in the casing at the depth of the 14 production zone. The well will be swab tested to 15 evaluate its productivity. If necessary to enhance 16 its productivity, dilute muriatic acid may be 17 injected into the oil producing zone and swabbed 18 back to dissolve and remove drilling mud 19 contaminants which restrict production. Tubing rods 20 and a down hole pump are then placed in the well and 21 the completion rig moved off of location. Note that 22 the entire drilling and completion process being 23 proposed does not involve horizontal drilling or Page 14 1 hydraulic fracturing as regulated by Public Act 2 098-0022. 3 There is no correlation between well 4 injection and earthquakes. In Illinois hundreds of 5 thousands of barrels of salt water and millions of 6 cubic feet of natural gas and CO-2 are injected into 7 wells every day with no documented correlation to 8 earthquakes. There are also no effects of an 9 earthquake on a cased well. It would make no 10 difference if the well were active or inactive. 11 There was an active earthquake in Dale, Illinois, in 12 early 1969. Mr. Herr worked as a production 13 engineer in the Dale oil field from January 1970 to 14 March 1972 supervising the operation of over two 15 hundred active production and injection wells. In 16 that time he never identified a well with casing 17 damage that could be attributed to that earthquake. 18 Mr. Herr has no idea what the effect of an 19 earthquake on an aquifer water table would be. 20 The production phase now begins with the 21 installation of a pump unit or jack powered by a gas 22 engine and the construction of a tank battery for 23 gathering and storage of the oil. Leased roads to Page 15 1 access the well are constructed and the drilling 2 pits are filled and reclaimed. 3 The tank battery typically consists of two 4 210-barrel steel oil storage tanks and an oil water 5 separator and a salt water storage tank both made of 6 corrosion proof fiberglass. Oil is trucked from the 7 site in 170 barrel loads by transport trucks. The 8 number of semi truck trips during the production for 9 one well per year is estimated to be twelve. 10 I'm just about done. Salt water is 11 sometimes produced with oil, with the oil. Salt 12 water extraction excuse me, extracted from one 13 oil well is estimated to be 332 barrels per year. 14 Salt water extracted from thirteen wells is expected 15 or estimated to be 4,316 barrels per year. If salt 16 water is extracted, it is trucked to the IDNR 17 permitted disposal wells and IDNR inspected trucks. 18 If large quantities of salt water are produced, it 19 may be necessary to develop IDNR permitted disposal 20 wells on site. The size of the loads of oil and 21 salt water are controlled so as not to exceed legal 22 load limits for the trucks being used. 23 There are minimal long term effects of oil Page 16 1 production if properly managed. The length of time 2 for the production phase varies from a few years to 3 decades. At the conclusion of production, the wells 4 are plugged in accordance with IDNR rules. All 5 surface equipment is removed and the well and tank 6 sites are leveled and returned to their former use. 7 Southern Illinois has many plugged and abandoned oil 8 wells, oil fields that are not even apparent to 9 passersby. The Wapella East Oil Field sixteen miles 10 to the southeast of MROC's proposed O'Rourke Well 11 No. 1 has produced since 1962 with minimal 12 environmental impact and remains in harmony with the 13 local activities. 14 That is the narrative from the applicant. 15 That is part of the staff report. Our next exhibit 16 is an article that was submitted by the applicant 17 that talked about the oil company being in operation 18 for 137 years which I will pass. 19 The next communication is from the McLean 20 County Soil and Water Conservation District 21 indicating what the soil types are on this property. 22 It has very good soils and a soil score of 94.43. 23 The soils are Ipava, Sable, Osco, Dana, Proctor, Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] Pages 13 - 16 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 17 1 Catlin, Plano, and was included in the land 2 evaluation and site assessment of the county planner 3 report, and we will indicate that report in the 4 staff report. 5 We have communication from the county 6 health department indicating that they have no 7 problem with this particular application. We have a 8 communication indicating the board of directors of 9 the Minard Run Oil Company as required by our 10 ordinance, and this communication indicates who the 11 property owners are, Joseph O'Rourke trust and the 12 Marianne Nelson O'Rourke trust; the communication 13 indicating that they would provide a court reporter, 14 and we have a resume of Dr. Robert Nelson, the 15 county's staff expert to help us to review some of 16 the oil and gas issues with regard to this 17 application, and he is here with us today. 18 Dr. Nelson gave us a bit of a narrative 19 that the county planner will read with this staff 20 report, and that's why we have this resume. This is 21 a plat showing where this property is located in 22 Downs Township, an aerial map outlined in red where 23 this property is located. This is a site plan Page 18 1 showing where the possible thirteen wells would be 2 drilled on this property, and related to that site 3 plan there's a location where a tank plan will be 4 located for each well that they would be drilling 5 that shows an oil and water tank and where the oil 6 well separator would be. This is a drilling plan 7 that shows where the well would be and what is 8 located around it. This is a bit of a this is a 9 diagram of a well boring that shows a bit of how the 10 applicant explained the well will be drilled and 11 this is the four thicknesses as indicated in that 12 narrative. This is a permit from the Illinois State 13 Department of Natural Resources for the applicant to 14 drill a well which they received that was referred 15 to in that narrative, a zoning map showing that this 16 property is in the agriculture district, and the 17 county planner's report as well as aerial photos 18 that he will show on the screen. 19 MR. KNAPP: Can I get you folks some 20 chairs who are standing? We've got some extra 21 chairs here. There's empty chairs back there. 22 MS. RUDOLPH: We're just giving the 23 rest of the board a chance to get caught up on the Page 19 1 various documents we're passing. 2 MR. BEHARY: The property is located 3 right here highlighted in red. This is Downs and 4 this is Leroy. The property is southeast of Downs. 5 Here's an aerial photograph showing the aerial 6 photograph underneath and showing the property 7 highlighted in red. Here's a closeup aerial 8 photograph of the property. Here's some site photos 9 of the property. It's on the corner of 2200 East 10 Road and 500 North Road. Here's looking west along 11 500 North Road and this is north along 2000 East 12 Road or actually, excuse me, 2200 East Road. 13 This is looking diagonal through the intersection 14 looking northwest. This is looking southwest 15 through the property along 2200 East Road, and this 16 is looking due south along 2200 East Road. Here's 17 one looking west along 500 North Road at the 18 proposed entrances to be located approximately in 19 this location for the entrance to the drilling site, 20 and finally the closeup aerial photograph. 21 This is the staff report for case number 22 SU-14-05. Existing land use is crop production. 23 Size of the parcel, 275 acres. The road frontage, Page 20 1 approximately 2,500 feet on the north side of 500 2 North Road and 4800 feet on the west side of 2200 3 East Road. 4 Existing land features: The topography is 5 relatively flat. Drainage is to the south. 6 Vegetation is crop production, and the public road, 7 500 North Road and 2200 East Road, are oil and chip 8 roads that are sixteen feet in width. The 9 surrounding zoning is the agriculture district on 10 all sides. The surrounding land use, to the north 11 is crop production, to the east crop production and 12 farm dwellings, to the south crop production and 13 single family residences, and to the west crop 14 production. The land valuation and site assessment 15 report, also known as LESA report, has a soil score 16 of 94 points out of a maximum 100 points and a site 17 assessment score of 168 points out of a possible 200 18 points, giving the total LESA review score 262 19 points out of maximum 300 points. The LESA report 20 indicates that a total score above 230 points means 21 that the property is of high value for agricultural 22 land production. 23 The analysis of the seven standards listed Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] Pages 17 - 20 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 21 1 in Article 8, Section 803 of the zoning ordinance as 2 they apply to this zoning request is as follows: 3 Number one, the proposed special use will not be 4 detrimental to or endanger the health, safety, 5 morals, comfort, or welfare of the public. The 6 applicant is proposing to drill for oil and gas on 7 approximately 275 acres. The applicant is proposing 8 to drill up to thirteen wells on this property 9 within five years of the county board approval date 10 of this application. The applicant has indicated 11 that the drilling at this site does not involve 12 horizontal drilling or hydraulic fracturing as 13 regulated by Public Act 098-0022. 14 The applicant estimates that seven 15 employees will be contracted during the drilling 16 phase and one employee contracted during the 17 production phase of one well. The applicant has 18 indicated that each well site and access road will 19 take approximately one acre out of crop production. 20 The applicant will need to obtain a permit 21 to drill for oil from the Illinois Department of 22 Natural Resources for all thirteen drill sites. The 23 applicant has obtained a permit for the first well Page 22 1 from IDNR in permit number 063906. The applicant 2 will also obtain permits to drill for oil from the 3 Department of Building and Zoning for all thirteen 4 well sites. The applicant is proposing to use a 5 truck mounted drill rig for the proposed wells. The 6 applicant intends to drill to a depth of 1,050 feet 7 below the surface. The applicant is required by 8 IDNR to protect the sources of fresh water supplies 9 by drilling an eight and three-quarter inch hole 350 10 feet below the surface and then insert a seven-inch 11 casing pipe and then forcing concrete to the outer 12 part of the pipe to the surface. This procedure is 13 called surface casing. The surface casing is 14 intended for the protection of any potential sources 15 of fresh water. 16 After the surface casing is set, the 17 applicant will then continue drilling a six and a 18 half inch hole to the depth of 1,050 feet. If the 19 well is not deemed capable of commercial production, 20 the well will be plugged in accordance with IDNR 21 rules. The applicant will fill the hole with 22 drilling mud from the bottom of the well to a depth 23 of 350 feet of the surface. The remaining 350 feet Page 23 1 to four feet below the surface will be filled with 2 concrete to seal the well. 3 If oil is found and the well is deemed 4 capable of commercial production, a four and a half 5 inch production casing is run to the bottom of the 6 well and cement is filled around the outer part of 7 the pipe back to the surface. A shaped charge is 8 then lowered into the pipe to the production zone 9 and holes are blasted into the rock. To enhance the 10 production area of the well, diluted muriatic acid 11 is injected into the well at the production zones to 12 dissolve and remove mud contaminants which may 13 restrict the flow of oil. 14 During the commercial production phase, 15 salt water is sometimes extracted along with the 16 oil. The salt water is separated from the oil and 17 trucked off site to IDNR permitted disposal well. 18 The safety and effect that these deep saline salt 19 water injection sites have on the environment is a 20 concern. Deep saline/salt water injection wells may 21 cause earthquakes. The applicant's engineer has 22 indicated there is no correlation between well 23 injections and earthquakes. The standard is met Page 24 1 this standard is met if deep saline salt water 2 injection wells are not allowed in McLean County. 3 Number two, the proposed special use will 4 not be injurious to the use and enjoyment of other 5 property in the immediate vicinity for purposes 6 already permitted or substantially diminish property 7 values in the immediate area. This standard is met. 8 IDNR requires oil and gas drilling sites to be set 9 back 330 feet from a lease line and 200 feet from an 10 occupied dwelling. Nearby property that is 11 currently in crop production will be continued to be 12 desirable for such. Nearby property that is 13 currently used for residences will continue to be 14 desirable for such. 15 Number three, the proposed special use 16 will not impede the orderly development of the 17 surrounding property for use as permitted in 18 district. This standard is met. Nearby land that 19 is suitable for crop production will be continued to 20 be suitable for such. 21 Number four, adequate utilities, access 22 roads, drainage and other necessary facilities have 23 been and will be provided. This standard is met. Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] Pages 21 - 24 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 25 1 The applicant intends to build access roads to each 2 drill site. The applicant has obtained approval 3 from the County Health Department for the proposed 4 special use. The applicant must obtain a road 5 agreement with the Downs Township road commissioner 6 and the County Highway Department prior to the 7 County Board approving this application. 8 Number five, adequate measures have been 9 and will be taken to provide ingress and egress so 10 designed to minimize traffic congestion in public 11 streets. This standard is met. It appears that 12 safe sight distance can be provided at the proposed 13 entrance. The applicant will need to obtain an 14 entrance permit from the Downs Township road 15 commissioner prior to obtaining a permit for 16 drilling for oil and gas. 17 Number six, the establishment, 18 maintenance, and operation of the special use will 19 be in conformance with the intent of the district in 20 which the special use is proposed to be located. 21 This standard is met. The Zoning Ordinance states 22 that the intent of the agricultural district is as 23 follows: "Conserve and protect open space, wooded Page 26 1 area, streams, mineral deposits, and other natural 2 resources from incompatible land uses and provide 3 for their timely utilization and to provide for 4 their location and govern the establishment and 5 operation of land uses which are compatible with 6 agriculture and are of such a nature that their 7 location away from residential, commercial, 8 industrial areas is most desirable." 9 Number seven, the proposed special use in 10 all other respects conforms to the applicable 11 regulations of the district in which it is located. 12 This standard is met. 13 In conclusion, staff recommends that this 14 application meets the standards set forth in Article 15 8, Section 803 of the Zoning Ordinance provided the 16 following conditions: Number one, the applicant 17 must obtain a road agreement with the Downs Township 18 road commissioner and the County Highway Department 19 prior to the County Board approving this 20 application; Number two, no deep saline salt water 21 injection wells are located in McLean County; Number 22 three, the number of wells are limited to thirteen; 23 Number four, drilling of oil and gas wells for up to Page 27 1 thirteen wells is begun within five years; number 2 five, a permit for each well shall be obtained by 3 the Department of Building and Zoning; and finally 4 number six, hydraulic fracturing as regulated by 5 Public Act 098-0022 is not allowed at this site. 6 Dr. Nelson has also supplied a narrative 7 in regard to this application. Dr. Nelson is a 8 certified professional geologist and has advised 9 staff and has reviewed the application materials 10 submitted by the applicant. I will go ahead and 11 read Dr. Nelson's narrative into the record. 12 Over 300 oil and gas wells have been 13 drilled in McLean County. This includes 134 14 injection withdrawal and observation wells drilled 15 in the late 1960's and early 1970's that are part of 16 NICOR's three gas storage fields, Hudson, Lake 17 Bloomington, and Lexington. The gas is stored in 18 the Cambrian age Mt. Simon Sandstone at depths of 19 about four thousand feet. 20 On November 4, 1962, the T.P. Kiley No. 1 21 wildcat well was spudded or drilled commenced five 22 miles east and two miles north of Wapella in DeWitt 23 County. Shows of oil were observed in cores of Page 28 1 Devonian Age dolomite at 1,100 feet and the Silurian 2 Age dolomite at 1,112 feet to 1,117 feet. After 3 drill stem tests, the wells were completed on 4 December 26, 1962, with additional production of 154 5 barrels of oil and 24 barrels of water per day. 6 Over the next four years an additional 35 wells were 7 drilled and completed in the Wapella East Oil Field. 8 The field still produces about a barrel of oil per 9 day from 22 wells. 10 The discovery of the Wapella East Oil 11 Field sparked a drilling boom in southern McLean 12 County and northern DeWitt County. The permitted 13 well site in Section 15 is near the center of 14 Township 22 North Range 3 East. Forty-five oil 15 wells have been drilled in that township. These 16 wells, drilled through the Devonian Age Dolomite 17 into the Silurian Age Dolomite, range in the depth 18 of 833 feet to 1,061 feet. 19 Drilling the O'Rourke No. 1, Menard Run 20 Oil Company proposes using a truck-mounted drill rig 21 for the O'Rourke No. 1 because the well is shallow, 22 excessive pressure has not been encountering wells 23 within thirty miles of the site, a truck-mounted rig Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] Pages 25 - 28 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 29 1 has a small footprint and a truck-mounted rig is 2 considerably less expensive to mobilize, rig up, and 3 handle pipe. A small blowout preventer is 4 sufficient for this site. The bottom hole pressure 5 of the Kiley No. 1 discovery of the Wapella East Oil 6 Field was only about 360 pounds. Gas, oil, and 7 drilling mud only rose 870 feet in the open pipe of 8 the drill stem test. 9 Once the mud pit is constructed and the 10 mast of the rig is raised, drilling can commence. 11 An eight and three-quarter inch tricone bit is 12 mounted on a twenty or thirty foot long hollow steel 13 pipe. The top of the drill pipe is attached to a 14 swivel. A hose is attached to the side of the 15 swivel. Drilling mud is pumped through the drill 16 pipe and the drill bit. The mud, a mixture of 17 bentonite clay and water, cools the rotating drill 18 bit and carries cuttings up the hole and outside the 19 drill pipe. The drilling mud holds the sides of the 20 hole up. At the surface the mud is directed back to 21 the mud pit. The well site geologist or mud 22 engineer collects samples of the cuttings every five 23 to ten feet drilled. When the swivel gets close to Page 30 1 the drill floor, the swivel is then attached to the 2 existing drill pipe in the hole. This will be 3 repeated until the bit reached a depth of 350 feet. 4 Then the drill pipe will be pulled from the drill 5 hole one length at a time, seven-inch diameter 6 casing will be assembled and lowered down the open 7 mud-filled drill hole to just above the bottom of 8 the drill hole. A cement slurry that is denser and 9 more viscous than the drilling mud is pumped through 10 the casing into the space between the casing and the 11 drill hole wall. 12 The mud engineer calculates the amount of 13 cement necessary to completely fill the annular 14 space. The amount of cement is followed by drilling 15 mud. When the cement emerges at the surface the 16 pump is shut down and the cement is allowed to set 17 up. This is surface casing. It is then pressure 18 tested. All the surface casing except the top few 19 feet will remain in place when the drill site is 20 abandoned. The surface casing fully penetrates and 21 protects the Mahomet aquifers encountered in the 22 upper 150 feet of the well. 23 After the surface casing is placed, a six Page 31 1 and a half inch bit will be used to drill to a depth 2 of about 1,020 feet. At that depth all of the drill 3 string and bit is pulled out one length at a time. 4 A ten-foot long coring bit is attached and lowered 5 one length at a time. Drillers call this a round 6 trip. The core bit is advanced ten feet. Then 7 another round trip is recovered recovering the core, 8 lowering the drill bit and advancing ten more feet. 9 At the surface the core is examined for shows of 10 oil. 11 If the shows of oil are promising, a drill 12 stem test will be conducted to determine if the 13 rocks will yield oil. A drill stem test tool 14 consists of two nested slotted pipes with two 15 expandable packers five feet apart on the outer 16 pipe. The bottom of the outer pipe is plugged. The 17 tool is assembled at the surface with the slots out 18 of alignment. The tool is attached to the drill 19 pipe and lowered down to the horizon to test. At 20 that depth the packers are expanded to seal off the 21 drill hole above and below the tool. Then the inner 22 slotted pipe is rotated to tool, is rotated to align 23 to the slots. If there is sufficient pressure in Page 32 1 the test horizon, drilling mud, oil and gas flow 2 into the tool and up the drill stem after. After 45 3 minutes to 90 minutes, the inner pipe is rotated to 4 close the openings. The drill pipe is raised. As 5 each length of pipe is removed, the contents are 6 observed and logged. If clear oil is observed, the 7 well warrants additional testing. If insufficient 8 oil is recovered in the drill stem test, the well is 9 deemed dry and abandoned. 10 The swab test is less expensive and less 11 diagnostic than a drill stem test in that only a 12 test tube is lowered by cable to the test horizon. 13 It is similar to lowering a bucket down an old time 14 water well. When the well is abandoned, drilling 15 mud is left in the open hole below the surface 16 casing. The bentonite in the mud will set up and 17 form a seal in the hole. The surface casing will be 18 filled with cement. The top of the surface casing 19 will be cut off about four feet below ground level. 20 And this concludes Dr. Nelson's narrative. 21 MS. RUDOLPH: Thank you. While I'm 22 thinking of it, I just wanted to mention any of the 23 documents that have been passed or read are Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] Pages 29 - 32 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 33 1 available at the Building and Zoning Office any time 2 for your perusal. It might be a good idea to make 3 an appointment, but they'll be very happy to help 4 you. 5 At this point the members of the board may 6 ask questions about the staff report and I do have a 7 question. Our County Engineer, Eric Schmidt, is 8 here. I wanted to ask about where we are with 9 standards six and seven, I believe, regarding the 10 permit from the County Highway Department and from 11 the township. I just wondered if there's any 12 update. 13 MR. SCHMIDT: The highway department 14 with legal counsel developed the Road Use Agreement 15 and worked out some details on that and that went to 16 the transportation committee of the County Board 17 this morning and they recommended approval of that 18 to the County Board, which it will go to the County 19 Board on the 21st of this month for approval. Some 20 of the details of that that we wanted to make sure 21 we addressed was that this operation through their 22 explanation is limited to the 72,000 pound road. 23 That's the weight limit on the road that they will Page 34 1 be using on the county highway. Our agreement 2 addresses that issue and says that they will limit 3 those loads to that. Any divisible load, which is a 4 load such as oil or grain that can be loaded to a 5 certain point and then stopped, that's a divisible 6 load, we will not issue any permits for that. If 7 there is equipment that is required for this project 8 that goes above the 72,000 pounds, we will issue a 9 permit in accordance with our normal permitting 10 process with the fees that are in our permit 11 process. The township road commissioner has been 12 given a copy of our Road Use Agreement and he is 13 working with them to develop that for the township. 14 MS. RUDOLPH: Okay, thank you. Are 15 there any questions from members of the board 16 regarding the staff report or any of the documents 17 that have been passed? We'll reserve the right to 18 ask some later perhaps. Thank you. 19 The applicants can come forward and at 20 this time I'd like to swear you in. Would you raise 21 your right hands, please? 22 (Applicants sworn) 23 MS. RUDOLPH: State your names and Page 35 1 addresses, please. 2 MR. DICK: Could you have them press 3 the button? 4 MS. RUDOLPH: I'm sorry. We need you 5 to press the button. 6 MR. HERR: My name is Robert C. Herr, 7 III. My business address is P.O. Box 885, Mt. 8 Vernon, Illinois, 62864. 9 MR. MACFARLANE: My name is James J. 10 MacFarlane, that's M-A-C-F-A-R-L-A-N-E. I am 11 vice-president of Minard Run Oil Company, and my 12 business address is P.O. Box 16 at Bradford, 13 and that is 318 South Avenue. 14 MS. RUDOLPH: Okay. You may proceed. 15 Mr. Wetzel is here. 16 MR. WETZEL: Thank you. Madam Chair, 17 members of the Zoning Board of Appeals, thank you 18 for your voluntary efforts here on our behalf and on 19 the behalf of the people of the county and those 20 folks who are behind me. I would like to ask a 21 question initially. You know who our two witnesses 22 are, but the narratives that were read by Mike and 23 by Phil I think you indicated could be, copies could Page 36 1 be picked up at the zoning office by anybody that 2 was interested. I'm going to apologize here because 3 I suspect that some of these folks who are behind me 4 have not seen those, and in fairness to this 5 process, I think I will probably go into more detail 6 primarily with Mr. Herr about his testimony, which 7 to many may seem redundant because we just heard it 8 read, but I want to make this process as fair to 9 those who want to participate as I can. We've seen 10 this. They probably haven't. I'm not sure exactly 11 what their positions are, but I think our goal here 12 for the applicant side of this is to make a 13 presentation, first of all, that is fairly received 14 and fairly presented but also providing an 15 opportunity for this board and those interested in 16 the outcome here to understand the merits of the 17 petition and why we believe it should be allowed as 18 a special use here, and as well we want to present 19 testimony about the quality and character of the 20 applicant because we think that's important. 21 This is a special use. It's not really a 22 traditional land use in the sense of just rezoning a 23 piece of property. The zoning class will stay the Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] Pages 33 - 36 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 37 1 same under your ordinance, under our ordinance. 2 This operation is a special use in an ag district, 3 and I want to say that we want this to be fair. We 4 have nothing to hide. I would encourage questions 5 from the board and obviously from any other 6 interested party, but I will apologize a little bit 7 because we will be redundant. Some of what you had 8 read to you will be repeated by a witness just to 9 make it clear to those who haven't seen some of this 10 material just what it is about. Thank you. 11 With that, I have only two witnesses. 12 They were just sworn. The first witness I would ask 13 to present himself is James MacFarlane who is with 14 the petitioner. He is here primarily to give to 15 this group a narrative about the company. I think 16 when you have something like this that is brand new 17 in McLean County, and I believe this is the first 18 time in the history of McLean County a company such 19 as this has sought a special use permit for what we 20 are doing, I think it's important that everybody 21 understand that misconceptions about what this 22 involves or misunderstandings be cleared up and 23 addressed and that this body be able to react Page 38 1 appropriately to what's presented. Jim MacFarlane 2 will testify primarily about the character, the 3 quality, the history, the performance, et cetera, of 4 the applicant just to demonstrate that it is not 5 some rogue who has come in here and has anything on 6 its mind other than to do that which it is seeking 7 permission to do. 8 Our second witness, who will be I assume a 9 witness, is Bob Herr who sits to my left, 10 and Bob is our retained geologist. He is a 11 geologist by profession. He is in the well drilling 12 business as an owner, as a consultant. He has been 13 involved with us from virtually the beginning since 14 it was that Minard identified this property as an 15 appropriate site. With that I would just, unless 16 anybody has a question of me at this point, I will 17 try to keep as quiet as a lawyer can get and allow 18 Mr. MacFarlane to testify. 19 MR. MACFARLANE: Thank you, 20 Counselor. The background of Minard Run Oil 21 Company, as you well know from some of the 22 presentations within the package, was founded by 23 Louis Emory in approximately 1875, and the family Page 39 1 owned business has several generations invested into 2 the oil and gas business. We currently operate over 3 a thousand some wells between New York State and 4 We produce both crude oil and natural 5 gas. We have over fifty employees over the region. 6 We take pride in what we do. We are very community 7 oriented and we work specifically with all the 8 agencies that we have to deal with on regulatory and 9 environmental situations. We have an excellent 10 track record with them. Wherever we go, and we work 11 in communities, we like to hire those people in the 12 community, those with experience. We take great 13 pride, we do take great pride in the visual and the 14 safety of our facilities. We are we believe in 15 the safety. We have an outstanding safety program. 16 We look to put together, it's a visual 17 when anybody goes by our facilities, that we are 18 keen in taking care of all of our equipment on the 19 surface and in the subsurface. We did drill some 20 wells and Bob Herr was involved as our project 21 engineer a couple years back exploring in the 22 Sangamon Arch, and we were unsuccessful in drilling 23 these wells, but we were very successful with the Page 40 1 land owners. We took good care of them and they 2 appreciated what we attempted to do to find oil and 3 gas on their properties, yet we left no footprint 4 When we walked away. It went right back to farming. 5 As I said, the company is well staffed 6 with technicians, and we take great pride in our 7 people working with others in the community with the 8 service companies that support us. It's a family 9 business, owned business, and we as employees are 10 treated as family and we work with all the other 11 companies. I have, I can say, an outstanding 12 relationship with the service companies because we 13 treat them very well and we expect top notch 14 services. So at that venture, we are well 15 established. 16 We've been around for a long time. 17 Actually Louis Emory invested in one of the first 18 oil wells drilled in Oil City with Colonel Drake. 19 That goes way back to history and a family and a 20 company moving forward. To always look at this, a 21 company in oil and gas, you have to continue to 22 drill and produce and explore, and this well here is 23 regarded as an exploration well. It's nothing being Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (10) Pages 37 - 40 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 41 1 explored by Shell or Exxon or any of the majors. 2 It's being explored by a mid-sized family owned 3 company coming down here to expand its operations, 4 and hopefully in your county we can be successful 5 and we can establish a relationship in the community 6 that is prosperous for all. 7 MS. RUDOLPH: Thank you, Mr. Herr. I 8 should ask if there are any questions. We'll do 9 that right now for each witness. Any questions for 10 Mr. Herr? 11 MR. KNAPP: Mr. McFarlane. 12 MR. DICK: I'm sorry, for 13 Mr. McFarlane. 14 MS. TURNER: I have a quick question. 15 MR. MACFARLANE: Yes, ma'am. 16 MS. TURNER: A company your size, 17 fifty people, that's not huge. Small to mid size I 18 would call that. 19 MR. MACFARLANE: Uh-huh. 20 MS. TURNER: Why Illinois? We're 21 two, three states away from you. That can't be an 22 economical way of doing business when you are the 23 size that you are. Why have you come this far? Page 42 1 MACFARLANE: Well, it will be 2 economical if we're successful in obtaining the 3 wells. Like I said, you have development wells and 4 you have exploratory wells. It doesn't matter if 5 you're an Exxon or a Minard Run or an independent 6 gentleman down the road, you have to go out and it's 7 your business to produce oil and gas. And we're at 8 the stage where we continue to outreach and grow in 9 other basins and we've looked at the Illinois basin 10 as a potential. Our geologists that we retain have 11 come up with this prospect. We ran the seismic on 12 it. It confirmed potentially that we could produce 13 oil and gas here. 14 So a company must always be expanding 15 itself. If it's going the other way, we know the 16 result. So we are looking, yes, to expand. We also 17 have joint ventures in Oklahoma. So we're with 18 technology today and we keep track of everything, 19 where we're at. We're on the cutting edge. We use 20 the same technology and equipment that the majors 21 use and to monitor our field operations. We're very 22 proud of that. We don't pull the reigns on any of 23 the technology. We have the same type of mapping Page 43 1 software. We have the same type of engineering 2 software, SCADA systems. So we've been around a 3 long time and we use cutting edge technology to be 4 efficient. 5 MS. TURNER: Are your other you 6 said a thousand wells right now. Are those all in 7 8 MR. MACFARLANE: They're split up 9 between New York State and 10 MS. TURNER: Okay. And do you, 11 sometimes do you drill, explore the wells, find that 12 they're good wells and then sell them off to let 13 someone else run them? 14 MR. MACFARLANE: No. We also buy 15 wells. 16 MS. RUDOLPH: It was passed about, I 17 believe, the officers in your company, but I'm still 18 a little unclear about what family owned means. Why 19 don't you tell us a little bit more about that. 20 MR. MACFARLANE: The family owned, 21 they are the major shareholders of the company and 22 they are all descendants of Louis Emory, Jr., who 23 was a very prominent business man in the state of Page 44 1 and now his great-grandchildren and 2 great-great-grandchildren are involved in the 3 business. And so that's the family of the Louis 4 Emory, the descendants of him; that is, the family 5 still owns the majority of the company. So that's 6 where the family run business comes in. Frederick 7 W. Fesenmyer is our CEO and he is the descendant of 8 Louis Emory. So the family is still in control of 9 the business. 10 MS. RUDOLPH: But there is stock? I 11 mean it is publicly traded or not? 12 MR. MACFARLANE: No, it's privately 13 owned. 14 MS. RUDOLPH: Private? 15 MR. MACFARLANE: Yes, ma'am. 16 MS. RUDOLPH: You said something 17 about Sangamon. Could you elaborate a little more 18 on that? I didn't quite understand that. 19 MR. MACFARLANE: The Sangamon Arch. 20 MS. RUDOLPH: Sangamon. 21 MR. MACFARLANE: Yep. That's where 22 our last exploratory Bob, that was two years ago? 23 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (11) Pages 41 - 44 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 45 1 MR. HERR: More than that 2 unfortunately. 3 MR. MACFARLANE: Two or three years 4 ago that we did four wells and we cored one well, 5 but they weren't economical to produce, so they were 6 properly plugged and abandoned under the oil and gas 7 regulations and we moved on. But this is an 8 extension of our exploration program in Illinois. 9 MS. RUDOLPH: Where was this? 10 MR. HERR: Can I answer that? 11 MS. RUDOLPH: Yes, you've been sworn. 12 MR. HERR: It was located south and 13 west of Decatur, Illinois. The Sangamon Arch is a 14 geologic term for a particular area of Illinois that 15 has certain geologic properties, but the physical 16 location of the wells was in the south and southwest 17 and west of Decatur. 18 MS. TURNER: I just have a couple 19 more questions. When was the last since you're 20 based in I'm trying to get at again 21 the coming this direction, but when were your last 22 permits to drill in that area in and 23 New York? Are you still currently exploring? Page 46 1 MR. MACFARLANE: Oh, yes. We're 2 always currently drilling in both New York and 3 We have a continuous drilling 4 program. We try to always be drilling and 5 completing wells in succession. We do get some 6 inclement weather in the northeast where we have to 7 shut down. We call it mud season, too, the freeze 8 and thaw, and we know this county experiences such. 9 So we like to be drilling and completing all the 10 time. It's not always possible, but we're always 11 producing oil and gas. 12 MS. RUDOLPH: Any further questions 13 from the staff? At this time I would ask if there 14 are any interested parties that would like to 15 question Mr. MacFarlane only and this would be 16 regarding, strictly regarding the testimony he's 17 just given. Anyone have any questions about his 18 testimony? 19 A gentleman got up so I thought he wanted 20 to testify. Come forward. This is for questions 21 only. 22 MR. RAU: Right. 23 MS. RUDOLPH: If you turn on your Page 47 1 mike, give us your name and address. 2 MR. RAU: My name is William Rau, 313 3 Vista Drive in Bloomington. 4 MS. RUDOLPH: You may proceed. 5 MR. RAU: Yes, I have a question. If 6 I heard properly, you will be making twelve trips a 7 year to pick up 170 barrels of oil from that well, 8 is that correct? 9 MS. RUDOLPH: Okay. This has to be 10 questions I'm sorry, Dr. Rau. It has to be 11 questions for Mr. MacFarlane regarding his 12 testimony. Later on we're going to hear from Mr. 13 Herr and we'll able to ask questions about his 14 testimony as well. 15 MR. RAU: Okay, good. 16 MS. RUDOLPH: Thank you. Anyone 17 else? 18 (No response) 19 MS. RUDOLPH: Okay, we'll continue. 20 MR. WETZEL: I would ask Bob to turn 21 on his microphone and I'm going to ask him to kind 22 of go down through the, starting at the beginning of 23 how we got here and what led us to this point where Page 48 1 we felt that the test was appropriate and this 2 process was appropriate and, of course, the hope is 3 that we will later drill and be producing. 4 MS. RUDOLPH: Excuse me, Mr. Wetzel. 5 I want to ask, can everyone hear Mr. Wetzel? I 6 think you need to pull the mike a little closer. 7 MR. WETZEL: Sure, and thank you 8 because I'm usually not low volume, I will say it 9 that way. My kids are grown so I can say that now. 10 But I'm going to ask Bob to kind of rerun some parts 11 of what was in the report or the narrative that was 12 read earlier so that the folks who are here who are 13 behind me will have the benefit of that direct 14 testimony and will have the opportunity to 15 cross-examine him about that testimony without 16 having to go through the process of going to the 17 zoning office and trying to pick up the paper. 18 I would also say to you I don't know the 19 composition of the group that sits behind me. I 20 noticed there are a lot of people here. I don't 21 know whether these are people who hope we find oil 22 or people who don't want us to look for oil. We'll 23 get to that phase, but I know there are some of Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (12) Pages 45 - 48 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 49 1 probably both those groups represented behind me, 2 and we want to get the facts out in front of 3 everybody to get the questions answered and move 4 forward with this process. With that, I will stand 5 aside and let Bob make his presentation. Thank you. 6 Mr. Herr? 7 MR. HERR: Thank you. To the board 8 members, I just say I feel your pain. I served on 9 the planning and zoning board in Mt. Vernon, 10 Illinois, for several years so I've sat through a 11 few of the meetings like this myself. I guess how 12 did we get to where we are now. Well, first off, 13 I'll just tell you a little bit about myself. I am 14 a petroleum engineer. I'm a Licensed Professional 15 Engineer in the state of Illinois. I actually 16 earned a mechanical engineering degree from a small 17 college in Memphis, Tennessee, in 1969, moved to 18 Illinois, worked with a major oil company. You may 19 recall Texaco. They've since been gobbled by 20 Chevron. I worked for them for ten years and then I 21 returned to Illinois, worked for some small 22 companies here and then entered into the business 23 for myself in about 1983, give or take a year. Page 50 1 I have been in the oil and gas drilling 2 business as a rig contractor. I've owned well 3 service rigs. I currently operate I actually 4 wear two hats. I own some oil and gas wells which I 5 operate, and then I work as a consulting petroleum 6 engineer. I provide engineering and operating 7 services to different companies, currently under 8 contract to two other companies besides Minard Run 9 drilling wells for their account. They actually 10 I drill the wells in my name and actually transfer 11 into my account several hundred thousand dollars 12 which I expend for the drilling of their wells. So 13 I mention that because I think that I have a high 14 level of trust when people just send me several 15 hundred thousand dollars to spend for their drilling 16 and completion and management of their well. 17 Minard Run approached me a few years back 18 about assisting them with getting started here in 19 Illinois. As it was mentioned earlier by 20 Mr. MacFarlane, they had an exploratory well package 21 in the vicinity of Decatur and they asked me to help 22 them develop cost estimates and help them go through 23 the things that needed to be done to get the wells Page 51 1 drilled and be good environmental stewards. We've 2 worked together on that project. Unfortunately they 3 drilled four dry holes and so they went back to 4 and then I helped them again this past 5 December drill a well in Hamilton County, Illinois, 6 which was unfortunately also a dry hole, and then a 7 few months ago they asked me to help with this 8 particular project that they want to embark on now. 9 So that's how the relationship has evolved. 10 I'm an independent contractor. I'm not 11 employed by them. As I stated earlier, I work for 12 numerous different oil companies. For example, last 13 summer I worked as a contractor consultant for 14 Energy Resources, which is a very large 15 independent that is extremely active in southeastern 16 Illinois and northwestern Kentucky and western 17 Indiana. That's kind of what I do. As far as this 18 particular prospect, prior to my involvement I know 19 that Minard Run, they had what we call subsurface 20 geology. They have a relationship with an 21 independent consulting geologist who does work for 22 them. We call it developing prospects. This 23 geologist developed this prospect and then they did Page 52 1 seismic surveys to try to verify it. The results of 2 that work indicated that this area in Downs Township 3 had favorable possibilities for accumulation of oil 4 and gas. When we use the term oil and gas, I would 5 say to you that almost all oil in Illinois has some 6 gas associated with it so it's not their primary 7 focus is actually the oil, but there is some gas 8 associated with it. Sometimes that's confusing to 9 people. The gas is actually entrained in the crude 10 oil much like the CO-2 in a bottle of soda pop. 11 Anyway, they then acquired the necessary 12 leases which give them the right to explore for and 13 produce oil and gas. An oil and gas lease, if 14 you've never seen one, is a fairly complex legal 15 document. They've evolved over the years so that 16 the operator and the owner of the mineral rights 17 each have mutual protection. Oil and gas rights are 18 typically owned by the surface owner, but they don't 19 have to be. In the southern part of the state where 20 I work and operate and there has been oil and gas 21 for many years, it's quite common to find mineral 22 rights that have been severed from the surface. In 23 this particular situation the mineral rights are Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (13) Pages 49 - 52 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 53 1 owned by the surface owner. 2 So at this point Minard Run is ready to 3 commence drilling. They contacted me, asked me to 4 prepare some cost estimates on what it would cost 5 them to drill the well and asked me if I could make 6 myself available to assist with the drilling of the 7 well, and that's how our relationship progressed. I 8 developed the cost estimates and then as the need 9 for this special use permit became available, they 10 asked me to assist with the preparation of the 11 narrative that basically describes the process. We 12 did quite a bit of work on that working with your 13 professional staff people to try to help explain to 14 them exactly what we want to do and how we do it and 15 all of the safeguards and steps that we take. 16 With that being said, do you want me to go 17 on into the specifics? Okay. This is going to be 18 somewhat repetitive, but Minard Run is at the stage 19 now where they are ready to drill. They have their 20 leases in order. They have their title checked. 21 They know that they leased the correct person. They 22 have obtained the permit from the Illinois 23 Department of Natural Resources which grants them Page 54 1 the right to drill for oil, and with the completion 2 of this process here and hopefully the issuance of 3 your special use permit, we'll be ready to go. 4 What we'll actually do, I will contact 5 I've had preliminary contact with a drilling rig 6 contractor. Most oil companies do not own their 7 rigs. They hire contractors to drill the holes for 8 them. They basically contract with the drilling 9 company to furnish the rig and the men and all the 10 certain items of equipment necessary for the boring 11 of a hole. The contractor agrees to provide you a 12 hole in the ground that's in shape for you to 13 evaluate. So the next step will be for us to hire a 14 contractor. We'll conclude the work on the 15 acquisition of the road access permits. I've been 16 in touch with Mr. Schmidt. I've also been in touch 17 with your township guy, although I must admit we 18 played phone tag all day, but we will obtain the 19 necessary permits. We'll construct the necessary 20 off of the township road. We'll explain to 21 the contractor that if he has loads that exceed the 22 load limits, then he's going to need to get 23 overweight permits. Most contractors that have Page 55 1 overweight equipment are very used to this process. 2 They move this equipment around, it's quite mobile, 3 and they know that they need to comply with these 4 rules. 5 Once we get the rig contracted and get it 6 moved in, we'll basically prepare the site which 7 consists of excavation to remove the topsoil. We 8 dig the necessary earth and pits that we require for 9 the circulation of the drilling fluid. We rig up 10 the rig and just physically start drilling. We'll 11 bore an eight and three quarter inch hole to a depth 12 of about 350 feet. Actually if you look at the 13 permit that was issued to us by the Department of 14 Natural Resources, it specifies that we have to set 15 a minimum of 350 feet of casing for the protection 16 of fresh water zones. We'll drill that hole. Then 17 we'll install a seven-inch diameter casing in there 18 and we will cement that back to the surface with 19 standard cementing procedure that's used on all oil 20 well surface casings. None of this is new 21 technology. This stuff, I mean like the drilling 22 process, has been around since Spindletop, which is 23 an oil field in Texas discovered around 1900. These Page 56 1 are standard procedures that go on all the time in 2 southern Illinois. As I speak, there's probably 3 fifteen rigs drilling around southern Illinois and 4 the move in, rig up we call it, drill the surface 5 hole, set the surface pipe and cement it. It's just 6 as common to us as taking a sip of water out of that 7 bottle there. 8 Once the surface casing cement has set up, 9 then we will install a device called a blowout 10 preventer on top of the casing and we'll pressure 11 test that to be sure that there's no leaks, that 12 it's holding properly. Then we'll proceed ahead and 13 drill down to what we call total depth which we 14 anticipate this well will be about a thousand and 15 fifty feet deep. In the process of drilling, we 16 will examine there will be a geologist on site. 17 He will examine the drill cuttings for evidence of 18 oil. We may decide to run a drill stem test which I 19 believe you heard described earlier. We may cut a 20 core, which is actually a physical recovery of a 21 cylinder rock from the reservoir. We will run 22 certain types of surveys, we call them geophysical 23 logs, that let us identify the correct depth of the Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (14) Pages 53 - 56 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 57 1 rock formations. We make readings of the physical 2 characteristics of the rock and we can use those 3 readings to evaluate the productive potential. 4 That's a major decision point in the 5 drilling process because we're going to kind of, 6 once we get the well drilled and all the surveys and 7 tests run, we're going to kind of have a little 8 meeting of the minds. We're going to look at the 9 data and a decision is going to be made, okay, 10 either we have a dry hole or else we think we have 11 potential for production. If it's a dry hole, we'll 12 plug and abandon the well. We leave the drilling 13 mud in the bottom, and as was mentioned in the 14 gentleman's narrative, it sets up. We'll cement the 15 top part of the well off with cement, cut the casing 16 off, fill the pits, restore the location and be 17 gone. They'll be farming and raising corn next year 18 on it. 19 If we decide that it's worth production 20 testing, then we'll install a second string of 21 casing in the bore hole, cement it all the way back 22 to the surface using the same procedure that we used 23 on the surface casing and the drilling rig will Page 58 1 leave. We'll bring in a smaller rig. We referred 2 to as a completion rig or a workover rig. Those 3 type rigs have different capabilities. All the 4 drilling rigs can do is just bore a hole in there. 5 The workover rigs or completion rigs can 6 lower special tools into the well to obtain samples 7 of the fluids in the well. We run additional 8 geophysical surveys to locate the depth of the oil 9 formation correctly. Then we perform an operation 10 called perforating which uses a shaped charge to 11 punch a hole through the steel casing and the cement 12 sheath and into the formation. Then we'll conduct 13 tests to evaluate the productivity of the well to 14 see what fluid influx rate is. If it's a really 15 good well and the production rate is acceptable, the 16 well will be put on production right there. If the 17 production rate is low, we may inject hydrochloric 18 acid. I used the term muriatic acid when I did the 19 narrative because I thought that would be more 20 familiar to people. That's actually what we refer 21 to as bricklayer's acid. That's what they clean the 22 cement off of bricks on your house with. In the oil 23 industry we refer to it as hydrochloric acid, but Page 59 1 it's a commonly available product. We inject it 2 into the formation. It will physically dissolve 3 some of the limestone and rock that we think is 4 productive and we use a process called swabbing 5 which lets us just produce the well and see what its 6 productivity is going to be. 7 If we have a commercial well, then we put 8 the down hole equipment in it to pump it. Then we 9 set up what you may call a grasshopper. As you 10 drive around through the to the south, 11 you've probably seen them nodding up and down. We 12 construct tanks and start producing the well. At 13 that point in time they will probably produce the 14 well as long as it's economically feasible. 15 Sooner or later all oil wells reach a 16 point where the oil production does not pay the cost 17 of operating the well. We refer to that as the 18 economic limit. Typically when they get to that 19 point, they're plugged and abandoned. We bring in a 20 service rig. We take the rods and tubing out. We 21 install a bottom plug in the well to protect the oil 22 zone. We plug the top of the well, cut off the 23 surface casing, remove all the equipment, the pump Page 60 1 jack, the tanks, level the location, and the 2 Department of Natural Resources has on-site 3 inspectors that witness the plugging procedure so 4 it's done properly and then they have final say. 5 They will come and inspect the site, and if the 6 restoration is satisfactory, then they will approve 7 the restoration. 8 That's pretty much the whole process from 9 start to finish from the day the idea was conceived 10 by their consulting geologist until either the well 11 is plugged as a dry hole or produced to completion 12 and plugged at the end of its life. 13 MS. RUDOLPH: Thank you. Questions 14 from members of the board? 15 MR. HERR: Surely I'm not that good. 16 Somebody has got to have a question. 17 MS. TURNER: I might have some. I'm 18 being polite. 19 MR. FINNIGAN: There's a lot of talk 20 about salt water. Where does the salt water come 21 from? 22 MR. HERR: Most reservoirs are 23 actually laid down in ancient seas. They're what we Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (15) Pages 57 - 60 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 61 1 call sedimentary rock. So the salt water is there 2 initially and it actually wets the rocks and as the 3 oil has migrated into the reservoir over the years, 4 the salt water remains there. Depending on exactly 5 how much oil is present, sometimes the salt water is 6 produced in conjunction with the oil. 7 MR. FINNIGAN: So if you drill a well 8 like this, how many barrels of oil would you expect 9 to get out of a well? Is there any idea? 10 MR. HERR: I have not done a reserve 11 analysis for these folks. It could run a really 12 good well would seem to be about fifty thousand 13 barrels. That would be an outstanding well at this 14 depth. It could be as little as a few thousand, 15 yeah, over the life, I'm not talking about initially 16 but over the life of the well. 17 MR. FINNIGAN: So does the oil just 18 kind of I don't understand how the oil gets into 19 the casing. I mean is it just pressure from it 20 comes in from everywhere, bring it into the casing 21 and bring it up like a water well? 22 MR. HERR: Yes, pretty much. The oil 23 has a certain amount of natural pressure and there Page 62 1 is natural gas dissolved in it. If you've ever 2 opened up a bottle of soft drink that's been shaken 3 up and it runs over because the gas comes out of the 4 soft drink, the same physical process takes place 5 down in the oil reservoir. When we take a fluid 6 column off of a well, that exposes the formation to 7 atmospheric pressure. So in this case the reservoir 8 pressure would probably be around four hundred PSI, 9 give or take. So when you take the fluid column off 10 of the well, you've got four hundred PSI trying to 11 push the oil into the well bore and you've got zero 12 pressure in the well because you've completely 13 evacuated it, so the oil moves into the well. In 14 the case of a really outstanding well, the oil may 15 actually flow to the surface. Typically what these 16 wells in this area do is the oil will come part way 17 to the surface and has to be pumped out. So we 18 install pumps and the jacks that you see that lift 19 it out of oil. 20 MR. FINNIGAN: One of the points on 21 here, it says no salt water injection into the well. 22 If you injected salt water into it, that would just 23 be to get more oil into the casing? Page 63 1 MR. HERR: Sometimes we inject salt 2 water in the ground merely to dispose of it. That 3 is a very common, perfectly legal, heavily regulated 4 process in all oil producing states. There's 5 basically two processes. One is salt water disposal 6 which you inject that salt water into a non-oil 7 producing formation. The other process is referred 8 to as water flooding. It's practiced extensively in 9 southern Illinois where you inject the salt water 10 back into the oil producing reservoir to push oil to 11 another well. 12 MR. FINNIGAN: But in this case 13 you're not going to do that? 14 MR. HERR: We have no plans at this 15 time to water flood. We don't even know if the 16 reservoir will be amenable. All we're doing now is 17 asking for a permit to produce. 18 MS. TURNER: So what liquids are you 19 pumping into the earth? 20 MR. HERR: What liquids are we 21 pumping into the earth? 22 MS. TURNER: Yeah. What are you 23 putting in there? You've got some hydrochloric Page 64 1 acid, you said HCL that you're putting in there 2 initially in the testing process to see if it's 3 viable? 4 MR. HERR: Right. 5 MS. TURNER: Do you continue to do 6 that 7 MR. HERR: No. 8 MS. TURNER: to break the 9 limestone? 10 MR. HERR: No. 11 MS. TURNER: You just do that to see 12 if it's worth drilling deeper with another tool? 13 MR. HERR: We just do that to enhance 14 the productivity of the well. 15 MS. TURNER: Okay. 16 MR. HERR: We would not do that to 17 promote or enhance drilling deeper. In the course 18 of drilling a well, we pump mud down there. We make 19 up what we call drilling mud. It's Wyoming 20 bentonite clay. In the process of drilling through 21 the formation, some of that clay gets into the 22 limestone rock that we think will produce oil. As a 23 part of the completion process, we would inject the Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (16) Pages 61 - 64 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 65 1 acid in there. It will physically dissolve the 2 limestone and then that is removed by the swabbing 3 process. So it's only a temporary injection. The 4 acid very quickly spins itself and just becomes a 5 very weak, low pH water. 6 The other chemicals, we might have to put 7 chemicals down the well, okay, but they're not 8 injected into the earth, but they go down the well 9 to control paraffin deposition or sometimes if a 10 little bit of water is produced with the well, we 11 have problems with corrosiveness. We might have 12 problems with scale. So any of those three 13 chemicals might be injected into the well, but 14 they're produced back with the oil. 15 MS. TURNER: Can you explain 16 swabbing? 17 MR. HERR: Yeah. Did you ever use a 18 plunger to open up the commode? 19 MS. TURNER: Yeah, unfortunately. 20 MR. HERR: Yeah, me too. If you just 21 turn the plunger upside down, the completion rig has 22 cables on it and we have what they call swab cups. 23 There will be several of them stacked on top of each Page 66 1 other and we can lower it down into the well and 2 pull it back out with a cable and it will pull the 3 fluid in the oil out with a swab. 4 MS. TURNER: And then do you have to 5 keep track of how much you put in versus how much 6 you get out? What are the regulations there? How 7 do they 8 MR. HERR: There are no regulations 9 on it. We do it for our own benefit. We want to 10 know how the well is acting. In other words, if I 11 inject five hundred gallons of hydrochloric acid 12 into the well, then I want to know I will measure 13 every barrel. I did an acid job this morning on a 14 well. I came from near Fairfield, Illinois, and I 15 issued very specific instructions to the rig crew 16 when I left there. I have a tank sitting there and 17 they're swabbing the well and they're gauging every 18 hour. So I know by the hour how much fluid that 19 well is giving me back after I injected the acid 20 into it. 21 MS. TURNER: And why is that 22 important to you? 23 Page 67 1 MR. HERR: Because we want to know if 2 the well is producing water. We want to know for 3 sure whether it's coming from the formation or if 4 it's something that we put in there, and it also 5 helps us to evaluate the productivity of the well. 6 In other words, if I know how much fluid the well is 7 making per hour, then I can approximate what it's 8 going to produce when it's on pump. That's the 9 reason. It's all part of the testing process of 10 getting the well ready for production. 11 MR. KURITZ: What's the seismic 12 testing? What's that consist of? 13 MR. HERR: You know, I was not 14 involved in that and I cannot state specifically 15 what they did. I mean I could 16 MR. MACFARLANE: I can speak to that. 17 MR. HERR: I'll let him because I 18 don't know. 19 MR. MACFARLANE: What seismic is is 20 using surface equipment with a pad, a buggy more or 21 less. It sends shock waves down into the earth and 22 those waves are then recorded back via cables that 23 are laid on the ground, and they have little probes Page 68 1 and they sense back that wave that is shot down. 2 Vibroseis, that's what it's called. And then that 3 vibroseis, that sonic goes up, comes back and they 4 judge it by time, it's scaled by time recording, and 5 then they can basically they run a grid east to 6 west, north to south and then determine it runs 7 through extensive software and together then the 8 geophysicist works with the geologist and they 9 determine where that structure it can show 10 faulting, it can show draping of a reservoir over a 11 structure, and that's then the target. What we are 12 looking for here is that particular target that's a 13 little higher, you know. Ancient vaulting created 14 this high and now that's where the oil and gas are 15 going to be trapped. 16 MS. RUDOLPH: I have some questions. 17 My questions are pretty basic because, as Mr. Wetzel 18 stated, this is new to all of us in McLean County 19 and I think perhaps some of the questions that the 20 public will ask will be pretty basic too, but I 21 think we really need those. What I have is you 22 mentioned the geologist, contracted with the 23 geologist to identify this site, but how was it Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (17) Pages 65 - 68 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 69 1 identified? I mean specifically why us? 2 MR. HERR: Well, Jim, jump in here, 3 but typically if this is not right typically 4 these things are done by a process called subsurface 5 geology, okay? There's been wells drilled in this 6 county. You all might not be aware of them, but 7 there's been wells drilled here looking for oil 8 before. They're all dry holes, but these enable a 9 geologist who's working in the area to prepare a map 10 of the different formation tops. When you drive 11 down the highway tomorrow and look out at the 12 surface of the land, imagine trying to define that 13 surface, draw a map of that surface if you can only 14 see an eight-inch circle every couple of thousand 15 feet. That is the chore of a subsurface geologist. 16 He takes this data and then he tries to draw maps to 17 produce a picture of what things look like in the 18 subsurface. He's looking for some type of 19 underground dome. 20 We have a saying in the oil industry that 21 you have to have three things to have an oil well. 22 You've got to have a trap which is a mechanism to 23 capture the oil as it migrates. You've got to have Page 70 1 a reservoir of sufficient quality so the oil can 2 move, and you've got to have oil. That's the three 3 components to have an oil field. The subsurface 4 geologist is using existing well data which is 5 available. It's public record. It's available. A 6 lot of them have their own private libraries. The 7 Illinois State Geological Survey maintains a very 8 large library, and they use this well data to 9 construct a subsurface map and they try to pinpoint 10 areas that look like they might have domes in the 11 subsurface. 12 Once that's done there's two ways to go. 13 You can either just go drill it and see if he's 14 right. As petroleum engineers, we harass geologists 15 incessantly about their maps being drawn in pencil 16 so they're easy to correct when their interpretation 17 is wrong. But that being said, why, you can either 18 go drill the well or in the case of Minard Run, they 19 elected to shoot some seismic. You can run seismic 20 surveys and then you can hopefully construct 21 subsurface maps with that data, and if it ties in 22 with the geological interpretation, then you kind of 23 get that warm fuzzy feeling that, well, this might Page 71 1 be a good place to drill an oil well because we've 2 got a subsurface interpretation from the geologist 3 and we've got seismic data that seems to back it up. 4 So that's how the I don't know if I 5 answered. I tend to kind of wander, but just reel 6 me back in if you get tired of listening. 7 MS. RUDOLPH: Disregarding what land 8 will be taken out of production, and you stated a 9 small amount, but if a large amount of oil or gas 10 were discovered, would there be more taken out of 11 production as you went along? 12 MR. HERR: In other words, we need a 13 well site. I mean the physical area for the well is 14 only, for the pump jack is probably fifteen, twenty 15 feet wide and maybe about thirty feet long just for 16 the I'm sure you've seen the pump jacks. You've 17 got to have an access road to get there. We have 18 gentlemen called pumpers and they go to that well 19 every day. That well is not just sitting out there 20 by itself doing its thing. We have a contracted 21 employee. He goes to the well every day and checks 22 it, looks for leaks, measures the amount of oil in 23 the tanks. Page 72 1 The other part of the land that's taken 2 out of production would be the area required for the 3 tankage to sit on. If they get the first well, 4 they'd have the roadway and the well site and the 5 tankage. Subsequent wells would not require 6 additional tanks. They would be connected into the 7 first set of tanks. So all you lose there is the 8 roadway and the well site itself. 9 MS. RUDOLPH: Maybe sometime you can 10 figure out if there were a total of thirteen wells 11 actively producing how much land, but we don't need 12 that number right now. I just have some questions 13 also from the narrative that we received. You're 14 planning twice the production of steel casing than 15 that required by the Illinois Department of Natural 16 Resources, correct? 17 MR. HERR: Yes, twice the protection. 18 MS. RUDOLPH: So I can't help but 19 I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I can't help 20 but wonder if you're implying that the IDNR rules 21 aren't adequate? 22 MR.HERR: No. No, I don't think they 23 are. The reason we do that is because it protects Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (18) Pages 69 - 72 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 73 1 the inner casing. What we're finding is that these 2 wells tend to last much longer than we thought they 3 would. I mean I personally operate several wells 4 that were drilled in the '60s. Some of the larger 5 fields that were discovered in the late '30s still 6 have numerous wells in them. They're going sixty, 7 close to seventy-five years old, and initially we 8 thought, well, a well might last seven years, ten 9 years. Well, they just kind of keep living on. So 10 the reason for cementing the inner casing is just 11 strictly to protect the steel casing from external 12 corrosion. 13 The rules and regulation for the 14 protection of fresh water were promulgated by the 15 Department of Natural Resources in the early '90s, I 16 believe, and I believe they stood in good stead. 17 MS. RUDOLPH: Thank you. When you 18 say salt water, you mean sodium chloride, right? 19 MR. HERR: Well, it's mostly sodium 20 chloride. There may be other trace elements in it, 21 too. It depends on the location of the oil field. 22 There may be calcium ions, barium ions. Oil field 23 waters are just like people. They're all different. Page 74 1 MS. RUDOLPH: You had some 2 information in this handout about if the surface 3 if the ownership is different from the landowner of 4 the surface, but that doesn't apply at all to this 5 case you said because in this case it's all about 6 the same owners own both, right? Am I correct? 7 MR. HERR: Yes. 8 MS. RUDOLPH: I just wanted to be 9 sure. 10 MR. HERR: The term we use is severed 11 minerals. In this case the minerals have not been 12 severed from the surface. 13 MS. RUDOLPH: Now about these 14 earthquakes, there was information in here about the 15 earthquakes that occurred in Illinois and you're 16 stating that there was no casing damage. How do you 17 know that? Do you examine the casing? How do you 18 know that? 19 MR. HERR: Well, I was the engineer 20 in that oil field for two and a half years, and 21 we're continually working on wells and doing 22 maintenance operations and doing repairs and things 23 to enhance production and enhance injectivity. We Page 75 1 just never had any wells that we believed that had 2 casing damage. There are areas where certain types 3 of earthquakes could do casing damage. In Illinois, 4 depending on which experts you want to believe, the 5 earthquakes that have occurred are deep seeded. 6 Twelve to sixteen miles deep is where they actually 7 occur. We don't appear to get the type of shifting 8 or movement that could cause casing damage here. 9 MS. RUDOLPH: You mentioned these 10 existing, the wells that were drilled in McLean 11 County and DeWitt County in the past. Have there 12 been any reports of any detrimental effects on 13 existing wells in those close by ones? 14 MR. HERR: I'm not sure I understand 15 your question. 16 MS. RUDOLPH: Have there been any 17 detrimental effects on the wells that were drilled? 18 I know they were dry in McLean County, right, but I 19 just wondered if there have been any detrimental 20 effects ever been reported on any wells of any kind. 21 MR. HERR: Not that I'm aware of, but 22 I wouldn't propose to sit here and tell you that I 23 know of every problem that might have occurred, Page 76 1 okay? Generally speaking, I probably would not be 2 aware of it unless there were some major incident. 3 That might be the only way I would hear of it. 4 MS. RUDOLPH: So you mentioned the 5 Mahomet aquifer and you said a consultation with 6 Illinois State Water Survey revealed that the 7 Mahomet aquifer does not underlie the proposed well 8 site. Tell me everything you know about the Mahomet 9 aquifer that I probably don't know. 10 MR. HERR: Well, I learned what I 11 know from the source of all knowledge nowadays which 12 is the internet, and I looked up Mahomet aquifer. 13 Google is your friend. I don't know if you've heard 14 that term. I looked up Mahomet aquifer on the 15 internet and there's a narrative about it there 16 written by the Illinois State Water Survey, and 17 Mr. Wetzel explained to me the significance of the 18 aquifer. 19 MS. RUDOLPH: I think that's okay. 20 You're telling us what you learned and how you 21 learned it. That's okay. So who's going to keep 22 track of all this? 23 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (19) Pages 73 - 76 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 77 1 MR. HERR: Me. 2 MS. RUDOLPH: You, okay. For 3 instance, I'm talking about the drilling to a 4 thousand fifty feet. So you will be on site during 5 most of these critical 6 MR. HERR: We call it a well site 7 supervisor is the term that we use, and unless they 8 decide to fire me between now and then, I will be 9 the well site supervisor. 10 MR. MACFARLANE: Yes, he is correct, 11 and Minard Run will also have technical staff to 12 assist Bob and also being on location with Mr. Herr. 13 MS. RUDOLPH: And that would be like 14 through the plugging and everything. 15 MR. MACFARLANE: Yes, from the 16 drilling phase, completion phase and someday 17 hopefully, if we get production, then the plugging 18 phase, may it be fifty or seventy years from now. 19 MR. HERR: Just to clarify one point 20 on that. If a well is actually placed on 21 production, I would probably come out of the picture 22 at that point and the pumper, who's the guy that 23 checks the well every day, would be interfacing Page 78 1 directly with Minard Run. I also happen to be 68 2 years old, and one of these days I want to quit. 3 One thing, too, I'd just like to mention 4 is that all these techniques and processes that I'm 5 describing to you are very common in the oil 6 producing southern part of the state. We do these 7 things every day. There's nothing new or foreign. 8 There's no experimentation. The counties down there 9 don't even require a permit. The only thing they 10 require is that we file our ad valorem tax returns 11 so they can get their fair share of the oil. 12 MS. RUDOLPH: Members of the general 13 public are probably unaware, I think it's still 14 about half the counties in Illinois are not zoned, 15 so you're elaborating on that. 16 I just can't help but ask this one. It's 17 been recommended in our staff report that hydraulic 18 fracturing is not allowed at this site, but if 19 little or no oil is found, what process would you 20 need to go through to begin fracturing on a site 21 like this? 22 MR. HERR: What process? 23 MS. RUDOLPH: As far as permits as Page 79 1 far as for the physical drilling, what would you 2 need to do? 3 MR. HERR: Well, let me kind of 4 expound on fracturing a little bit. In Illinois 5 there's basically two types of fracturing. There's 6 the first which I have pretty much defined myself as 7 traditional hydraulic fracturing. This process was 8 invented in the 1950's. It has been and continues 9 to be used on a daily basis all over the world. In 10 Illinois it is not regulated. It's just like the 11 acid treatment that I described earlier. That's not 12 a regulated activity. All the buzz that you hear 13 about fracking refers to high volume, high pump rate 14 frac jobs conducted in horizontal wells. The public 15 law that was passed last year in Illinois is 16 specifically directed at the regulation of those 17 processes. We have no plans to fracture the well. 18 We believe that acid stimulation will be adequate. 19 If acid stimulation is not adequate in 20 this type of reservoir, hydraulic fracturing 21 probably would not be successful either because 22 typically in limestone reservoirs, if you can't get 23 it to produce commercially with acid, hydraulic Page 80 1 fracturing is not to going make a commercial well 2 either. So there's no plans, there was no money 3 budgeted for it initially. 4 That being said, if they elect to do a 5 traditional hydraulic frac treatment, they can do 6 it. It's perfectly legal, moral, ethical, any other 7 good term. I've probably personally hydraulically 8 fractured several hundred wells in my life. I did a 9 treatment for a company a couple weeks ago. It's 10 very common to the industry, the traditional. The 11 high volume, high rate are heavily regulated and 12 obviously very controversial. 13 MR. WETZEL: Excuse me, if I could, 14 and I don't know that there's confusion but there's 15 a possibility. This is a special use permit 16 application, and if the special use permit is 17 granted, the rights of my client to do what it is 18 asking to do are limited by that. Very specifically 19 in the staff report and recommendation there is a 20 reference to the statute, and if we ever ran afoul 21 of that statute or in any other fashion got outside 22 the limits of the authorization in the special use, 23 we would have to come back here. We would have to Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (20) Pages 77 - 80 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 81 1 get a new special use permit to allow us to do 2 whatever it is that was violating with whatever you 3 give us. I think that it's clear to me, but that's 4 why the reference to the statute specifically in the 5 report. If we have to, if we decided we wanted to 6 go over that line, we'd have to come back here. We 7 cannot do that under the special use process. 8 And you've got a lawyer on your side and 9 you've got a lot of staff next to the lawyer so if I 10 misstate, I would invite comment, but that would be 11 my comment to my client. You cannot do that. 12 You're going to get a special use permit if this 13 group would, County Board would give us one, but we 14 have to stay within the bounds of that special use 15 permit and anything outside of that we have to come 16 back. 17 MR. KURITZ: How would we know if 18 fracking is being done? None of these gentlemen 19 would police that, have never seen it I don't 20 believe. 21 MR. HERR: Well, I think there has to 22 be a level of trust at some point. I am not the 23 devil incarnate. I'm an experienced professional. Page 82 1 I've been in this business for 45 years. I've been 2 married to the same woman for 41 years. I raised 3 three children. I make my living at this, and I 4 have a reputation to uphold. 5 We also file documents with the Department 6 of Natural Resources that set out what we did to the 7 well at the completion of the process. Actually the 8 oil industry is kind of unique in that all of the 9 data that we obtain in the drilling process enters 10 the public record almost we can have it held 11 confidential for a year, but after that it enters 12 the public record. We spend hundreds of thousands 13 of dollars to acquire a data set and then within a 14 year it's public knowledge. You try to get your 15 typical company to do that and see how that goes 16 down. 17 With that being said, we also have forms 18 that we have to file with the state that we set out 19 what we did, what zones are open in the well. We 20 have to tell them where the casings are cemented, 21 how much cement was placed behind them, where we 22 think the top of the cement is, and we have tools 23 that identify that if it does reach the surface. Page 83 1 Then we have to report where, what zones we 2 perforated in and what type of treatments we 3 performed on those to enhance them. That's one way 4 you could track it. 5 MR. KURITZ: So basically you're 6 saying that IDNR does keep track of and watches 7 what's going on? 8 MR. HERR: Yes. 9 MR. KURITZ: Okay. 10 MR. HERR: They have a paid staff of 11 well inspectors who go around and check the wells 12 periodically and they witness certain operations. 13 We have to call them and tell them, primarily to do 14 with injection wells, but we have to advise them 15 when we're going to be cementing casing. We're 16 required to give notice of that so they can appear 17 if they wish. They're present during all plugging 18 operations at the end of the life of the well. 19 They're not always present during the drilling 20 process because they basically work a forty hour 21 week. The oil field works seven days a week 52 22 weeks a year. The drilling operations in particular 23 run 24 hours a day. I mean if we call and say, Page 84 1 okay, we're going to be plugging well No. 1, they 2 will come and witness it. The cementing contractor, 3 the cementing surface contractor and the well site 4 supervisor sign a statement to the fact they did 5 this, you know, placed this cement in the well. So 6 we do extensive reporting. 7 And I might add, too, while we're on the 8 subject of the DNR, the oil industry is heavily 9 regulated. I meant to bring it and I forgot to get 10 it out of my office. We have a rule book that's 11 probably about the size of a Sears Roebuck catalog 12 that governs our operations. I mean they set out 13 all types of procedures and policies and ways that 14 we're supposed to perform these operations. So it's 15 not like we're just a bunch of cowboys out here 16 doing whatever we please. We have procedures and 17 policies that are promulgated by the DNR and we're 18 inspected and we report. 19 MR. FINNIGAN: What would happen 20 you say an earthquake wouldn't bother it or 21 anything. Let's just say it does and your pipe is 22 corrupted somehow. What would happen? 23 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (21) Pages 81 - 84 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 85 1 MR. HERR: Probably nothing because 2 the pressure on the well is so low, there wouldn't 3 be an escape of oil and gas to the surface. We'd 4 just look at the mechanical condition of the well. 5 We'd consult with the IDNR people and say, you know, 6 we need to plug this well and we work up a plan to 7 plug it in accordance with whatever rules they had 8 in place at the time. There are methods that you 9 can use to re-enter wells. 10 MR. FINNIGAN: So if your pipe was 11 corrupted, somehow something happened to it, you 12 would happen to abandon it and drill another well 13 beside of it, or something like that? 14 MR. HERR: Most likely, yeah. We 15 would abandon it. Depending on how good a well we 16 lost, we might elect to not drill another well. We 17 might just say, well, we can't we can predict a 18 well's recovery. Especially older wells that have 19 been on production a long time, we can predict their 20 remaining reserves reasonably accurately. One of 21 the functions of the geologists and engineers would 22 be to look at what we call a replacement well and 23 you look at how much oil you think you can get out Page 86 1 of that well if you drill a replacement. If you 2 think you can get fifty thousand dollars worth of 3 oil remaining in the well but it's going to cost you 4 one hundred thousand to replace it, well, that's not 5 rocket science. That's pretty obvious that it's not 6 worth doing. The business is always economics 7 driven. We're in business to make money, not waste 8 money. So every expenditure is examined from a 9 profitability standpoint. It's quite likely in an 10 older well that it wouldn't be replaced. 11 MR. FINNIGAN: I've been by that 12 Kiley site that's referred to here in Wapella lots 13 of times. It's going to be similar to that? Just 14 say you did find oil on this site. Would it be kind 15 of spaced out like that one is? 16 MR. HERR: I haven't been to the 17 Kiley site so I don't want to comment on it, but the 18 wells would be no closer than 660 feet apart. The 19 Department of Natural Resources has what we call 20 spacing rules that tell us how close together we can 21 drill the wells. We're constrained on where we can 22 place them both in regard to the surface and in 23 regard to occupied dwellings. Page 87 1 MR. FINNIGAN: To your knowledge you 2 don't know anything about the Kiley site really? 3 MR. HERR: No, I have not been there. 4 I'm familiar with the field down there. I know that 5 it was discovered many years ago. I know that it 6 continues in production, but I haven't had a chance 7 to actually drive by and look at the site. I just 8 can't comment on it. I haven't been there. 9 MS. TURNER: I think obviously the 10 concern with any drilling is with the preservation 11 of water sources. So can you talk about your 12 experience in southern Illinois, I'm very familiar 13 with all the oil wells in that spot of the landscape 14 down there, and any impact or any concern or 15 implications it's had on any of the water source, 16 water sources down there and where typically do they 17 get their water? What type of water sources do they 18 have? 19 MR. HERR: I'm kind of out of my 20 league on that, but I'm going to comment anyway. 21 Our water in Mt. Vernon, Illinois, comes from Rend 22 Lake. So we're part of the Rend Lake inner city 23 water system. To my knowledge and belief, and I Page 88 1 haven't done any scientific studies or conducted any 2 surveys because that's not my forte, but to my 3 knowledge and belief the majority of home water in 4 Illinois comes from surface drinking water sources. 5 Rend Lake Mt. Vernon originally had its own lake 6 and then when they built Rend Lake, they connected 7 to that. Salem to the north where I live still has 8 its own lake. A few years ago they laid a line and 9 connected to a fresh water line that Texaco operated 10 when they brought water from Carlyle Lake to water 11 flood the Salem field, and they were really happy to 12 get that. But by and large, most of the towns get 13 it from surface sources. There is a large number of 14 rural water systems present in southern Illinois. 15 I lived about five miles east of Mt. 16 Vernon for about fifteen years and you could not 17 drill a fresh water well that had good quality 18 water, not because it was polluted, it's just 19 because it was naturally high in mineral content. 20 It was very unsuitable for bathing and drinking and 21 washing clothes and that type of thing because it 22 had a lot of minerals in it naturally. So people 23 tended to use cisterns. My wife comes from a little Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (22) Pages 85 - 88 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 89 1 town of Iuka and her family had a cistern for years. 2 They collected rain water because they couldn't 3 drill a fresh water well that had usable water for 4 washing. I don't know if you've ever tried to take 5 a shower in hard water, but the soap doesn't work. 6 The soap is expended on neutralizing the ions in the 7 water and it just won't suds up. Even now her whole 8 family farm now has a rural water system. Her dad, 9 after we retired from farming, he volunteered for 10 the Northeast Water Company for a year or two just 11 going around getting right of ways because he always 12 wanted a rural water system, and he finally got it 13 before he died. 14 There are some areas down around New Haven 15 and deep southeastern Illinois where some of those 16 cities down there get their water out of drilled 17 wells and what we call the gravel terrace along the 18 Ohio River. You will see that towns near rivers, 19 they will have drilled wells they get water out of, 20 but like Mt. Vernon, Waltonville, Benton, West 21 Frankfort, anything within probably 25 miles of Rend 22 Lake, we get our water out of Rend Lake. I hope 23 that answers your question. Page 90 1 MS. RUDOLPH: We talked quite a bit 2 about earthquakes, but in an operation like is being 3 proposed here, what other kinds of things could go 4 wrong? 5 MR. HERR: What other kinds of 6 things? 7 MS. RUDOLPH: If any. 8 MR. HERR: Well, a giant meteor might 9 fall out of the sky. The most common thing would be 10 a lightning strike on the surface facilities. That 11 is not an uncommon occurrence. I have experienced 12 that myself. Occasionally lightning might strike 13 the tanks. If the tanks become very old and 14 corroded, there might be a leak in the tankage. We 15 construct containment dikes around the tanks to 16 catch any leak that might occur. There could 17 possibly be leaks of the pipes that convey the 18 fluids from the well to the tank battery where the 19 oil is stored. 20 That's probably the most common 21 occurrences that I can think of. We could have a 22 problem with vandalism. That could be a problem 23 sometimes, you know, typical type things that people Page 91 1 will do to industrial operations that they're not 2 very fond of. 3 MR. BANGERT: It says here that 4 there's going to be 350 feet required for surface 5 protection and cemented. As you're drilling, there 6 could potentially be the situation where there would 7 be a show of material that would dictate that 8 possibly you would need to make that casing deeper. 9 I mean the requirement is 350 feet, but let's say 10 that the map wasn't accurate to that level. Is 11 there any show of information in the drilling 12 process that would say, oh, we need to extend this 13 casing deeper to protect the aquifer? Is there any 14 indicators that would dictate that you need to 15 ignore that rule and extend it further? 16 MR. HERR: We can examine the rock 17 chips that are brought back to the surface by the 18 drilling mud, see what type of rock they are, and if 19 we were drilling in a sandstone at 350 feet, then we 20 would continue to drill until we encountered either 21 a shale or a limestone which would indicate that we 22 had penetrated all the sandstone. 23 Page 92 1 MR. BANGERT: Would you voluntarily 2 increase your casing length? How would you remedy 3 that situation? 4 MR. HERR: We would set additional 5 casing as needed to case off any fresh water that we 6 might have encountered. Also, bear in mind that the 7 second string of casing will be cemented to surface 8 also so you'll still have the two layers of 9 protection that are specified by the rules. 10 MS. RUDOLPH: Any further questions 11 by members of the board? Does the staff have any 12 further questions at this time? 13 MR. KNAPP: I've actually got a 14 couple. I've actually got two. Are you aware of 15 any oil company that's received a permit to drill a 16 traditional well that's later been caught high 17 volume horizontal hydraulic fracturing? 18 MR. HERR: No. 19 MR. KNAPP: Has Minard Run to your 20 knowledge ever been caught hydraulic or I'm 21 sorry, high volume horizontal hydraulic fracturing 22 after receiving a traditional permit to drill a 23 traditional well? Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (23) Pages 89 - 92 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 93 1 MR. HERR: I can't answer that 2 because I'm not familiar with their operations in 3 the other states. I don't think that the other 4 states regulate it. 5 MR. MACFARLANE: We do not do high 6 volume fracking. 7 MR. KNAPP: Fair enough. 8 MR. MACFARLANE: We do fracking in 9 but it's not what you consider high 10 volume. It's a different reservoir that's being 11 done than here. 12 MR. KNAPP: Understood. 13 MS. RUDOLPH: Okay. What we're going 14 to excuse me, sorry. Mr. Schmidt? 15 MR. SCHMIDT: I've got a couple 16 questions for you real quick. 17 MR. HERR: Sure. 18 MR. SCHMIDT: You talked about the 19 drilling rate which you used to go down to drill the 20 initial hole and then the completion rate. You 21 talked about a size difference. Can you go into a 22 little more details on the configurations of those 23 rigs? Page 94 1 MR. HERR: They're configured about 2 the same. You probably wouldn't recognize the 3 difference, and I don't mean any disrespect. If you 4 just saw them driving down the road, you might not 5 even tell the difference. The principal difference 6 is that the completion rigs have cable lines on them 7 that we can use to swab the well and they also have 8 specialized tools for running the tubing rods. 9 Depending on the there's a lot of different 10 variations on the completion rigs. They might not 11 have a traditional derrick like what you're thinking 12 of. It might just be a single pole. 13 MR. SCHMIDT: Can you go into the 14 configuration of the truck itself as far as axles 15 and weight? 16 MR. HERR: The drilling rig or the 17 completion rig? 18 MR. SCHMIDT: Both, please. 19 MR. HERR: Okay. Typically the truck 20 mounted drilling rigs will be what I refer to as a 21 ten wheeler. It will have eight wheels on the back 22 and then two steering wheels. I don't know what 23 they weigh. Pardon me. The completion rigs are Page 95 1 typically ten wheelers. They're not semis. 2 Depending on their size, they will be overweight. 3 They move them around quite frequently and those 4 people are very used to obtaining overweight 5 permits. They may be over width. Sometimes they're 6 over height. It just depends on the particular rig 7 that I would use and a lot of that is a function of 8 what's available. All the rigs in our area are 9 extremely busy and have long waiting lists and 10 sometimes you may take a rig that is really more 11 than what you need just because you want to get the 12 job done. But they could well be overweight, over 13 your 72,000 pound. The oil hauling part of it, you 14 know, we would just tell the oil hauler, look, 15 you're constrained to 72,000 and they will do a 16 little map and figure out how many barrels they can 17 haul in a load. That's not a problem for them. 18 MR. SCHMIDT: Is the consistency of 19 the crude as far as specific gravity pretty 20 consistent then when it comes out of the ground? 21 MR. HERR: Yeah, it will pretty much 22 be the same during the life of the well. Its 23 weight, specific gravity won't vary, maybe a few Page 96 1 points but not significant, no. 2 MR. SCHMIDT: Thank you. 3 MS. RUDOLPH: Okay. I wanted to let 4 all of you know that we always continue or adjourn 5 by 10 o'clock. So I'll let you know that. We're 6 going to take a little break. When we come back, 7 this board is going to discuss a road map for future 8 hearings; when, where, especially when. Where is 9 going to probably be here. After we do that, then 10 we'll begin questions of the applicant, beginning 11 with Dr. Rau. We'll just take until 9:20. The 12 people who are going to leave here, why don't you 13 stand up and show who's opposing this permit process 14 in case people have to leave. 15 I think that means everybody. Thank you. 16 17 (Whereupon a 10-minute break was taken.) 18 19 MS. RUDOLPH: As proposed, the board 20 is going to have a discussion now about our 21 availability. Ms. Turner has indicated that she is 22 not available tomorrow evening, and I want to hear 23 from Mr. Kuritz about your availability. Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (24) Pages 93 - 96 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 97 1 MR. KURITZ: After tomorrow night I'm 2 not available for the rest of this week and all of 3 next week. 4 MS. RUDOLPH: What does that take us 5 to, about October 20th? 6 MR. DICK: October 20 is Monday. 7 MR. KURITZ: Yes. 8 MS. RUDOLPH: I'm available all that 9 week. Are you available all that week? We'll start 10 with you and we'll go around. 11 MR. DICK: This room is open that 12 week, too. 13 MR. KURITZ: Yes, I'm available that 14 week. 15 MS. RUDOLPH: So that would be the 16 20th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd. 17 MR. KURITZ: The following week, 28th 18 and 29th, I'm not available. 19 MS. RUDOLPH: Not? 20 MR. KURITZ: Not available. 21 MS. RUDOLPH: What about the 27th? 22 MR. KURITZ: 27th, yes. 23 MS. RUDOLPH: Yes. Chris? Page 98 1 Available whenever. Thank you. 2 MR. BANGERT: Same. 3 MR. FINNIGAN: I'm here. I can't go 4 anywhere. 5 MR. JUDD: This week I'm available. 6 MS. RUDOLPH: I think we've 7 eliminated this week. 8 MR. JUDD: Next two weeks I'm gone, 9 so I'm clear down to the 27th by the time I'm 10 available. 11 MS. RUDOLPH: So what do you suggest? 12 We have six people that can be here on the 20th, 13 21st, the 22nd, the 23rd, and the 27th. These are 14 all ors, by the way, not necessarily ands. What's 15 your feeling about Mr. Judd not being able to be 16 here? 17 MR. DICK: We need five for quorum, 18 correct? 19 MS. RUDOLPH: Uh-huh. 20 MR. KNAPP: Can we have five here 21 tomorrow? 22 MS. RUDOLPH: No. No, this week is 23 out. Page 99 1 MR. KNAPP: I thought only I'm 2 sorry, my eyesight is horrible. You were the only 3 one that couldn't make it tomorrow? 4 MS. TURNER: No, I can't. 5 MR. KNAPP: Oh, you can't make it. 6 Everybody on that row can make it. 7 MR. JUDD: I can make it on a 8 Thursday. 9 MR. KNAPP: So then we're left with 10 the 13th. How many can make it the 13th? You 11 cannot. 12 MR. FINNIGAN: The problem is if you 13 drop out of a meeting, you can't come back, so 14 you're only going to have five. 15 MR. KNAPP: That's what you need for 16 quorum. We're looking at, if we can't get everybody 17 back, it looks like we're into November now, 18 correct? 19 MS. TURNER: The last week in 20 October. 21 MR. JUDD: Starting the 27th. 22 MR. KNAPP: So the 27th would be the 23 first day? Page 100 1 MS. RUDOLPH: If we hear the case 2 with six people, we have the 20th, the 21st, the 3 22nd, and the 23rd. 4 MR. DICK: I think we should do that. 5 MS. RUDOLPH: How badly would 6 Mr. Judd feel about that? 7 MR. JUDD: That's fine. 8 MR. KNAPP: That's a quorum. That's 9 allowable. 10 MS. RUDOLPH: Okay. Is everyone 11 following me? We have six people that can hear the 12 case the 20th and/or 21st and/or 22nd and/or 23rd 13 and/or 27, so we're going to schedule those dates. 14 MS. TURNER: I have to amend that. 15 Not the 20th. The 21st, 22nd, and 23rd. 16 MS. RUDOLPH: 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 27th 17 for now. Now I need to ask Dr. Rau, would you 18 please come forward? 19 DR. RAU: Sure. 20 MS. RUDOLPH: Dr. Rau spoke with me 21 before the hearing about his availability and his 22 unavailability for this week. So it's good news 23 we're not going to continue. So tell me I'm not Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (25) Pages 97 - 100 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 101 1 talking about you asking questions. I'm talking 2 about your testimony. Will you be available to give 3 testimony, say, on the 21st? 4 DR. RAU: I do believe so. Let me 5 just take a look at my book. Yes, I will. 6 MS. RUDOLPH: Okay. So let's go back 7 to our hearing process now and we're at the point 8 where members, interested parties can ask questions 9 of the applicants and you had asked to come first. 10 Please state your name and address again. 11 DR. RAU: It's William Rau and it's 12 313 Vista Drive, Bloomington, Illinois. I had a 13 question about the I want to make sure I heard 14 this correctly, that you would be making twelve 15 tanker truck trips a year to collect one hundred 16 seventy barrels of oil, is that correct? 17 MR. HERR: No, I think those numbers 18 are something got lost in the translation. If they 19 get decent production, it would be more trips than 20 that. 21 DR. RAU: So what's in the staff 22 report, that information is inaccurate? 23 Page 102 1 MR. HERR: I believe so. 2 DR. RAU: So what would be your 3 prediction for oil production in the first year, 4 just a ballpark? 5 MR. HERR: Well, ballpark numbers 6 tend to get converted to gospel so I'm reluctant to 7 give a ballpark number. I'm not trying to be 8 evasive with you. 9 DR. RAU: Let me just express what my 10 concern was here because I worked this out and 11 basically the production, if it was twelve trips for 12 170 barrels of oil 13 MR. HERR: That should be per trip, 14 by the way. 15 DR. RAU: Yeah, right. 16 MR. HERR: Okay. 17 DR. RAU: That would be 5.6 barrels 18 per day for the first year? 19 MR. HERR: That's what the numbers 20 work out, yeah. That's why I said I think there's a 21 mistake. 22 DR. RAU: That looks like a 23 commercial failure to me. Page 103 1 MR. HERR: Yeah, I agree. 2 DR. RAU: That's just all I wanted to 3 know. 4 MS. RUDOLPH: Any others that would 5 like to ask questions of the applicants at this 6 time? The first hand I saw was this gentleman. 7 MR. PERSCHALL: I don't speak in 8 public very well but 9 MS. RUDOLPH: That's okay. 10 MR. KNAPP: Welcome to the club. 11 MS. RUDOLPH: Just state your name 12 and address, please. 13 MR. PERSCHALL: Bill Perschall, 8545 14 Old Route 66 in Shirley, Illinois. My first I 15 want to ask a question first. The documents that 16 were read at the beginning by these gentlemen here, 17 are they part of the record? So the first one was 18 you had the Power Point with the different pictures 19 of the land and the highways and that. There was 20 nowhere on there where it showed where the aquifer 21 was. I mean we're worried about the aquifer because 22 it's 23 MS. RUDOLPH: I have to Page 104 1 MR. PERSCHALL: Stop me? 2 MS. RUDOLPH: I have to stop you 3 because your point is well taken and indeed it did 4 not show the aquifer, but what we're doing now in 5 this procedure is we're asking questions of the 6 applicant, any of these two gentlemen, anything 7 related to the testimony. Later on you will have a 8 chance if you wish to give testimony about the 9 aquifer but not now. 10 MR. PERSCHALL: Okay, no problem. 11 The geologist had talked about all the surface water 12 in southern Illinois, but he never talked about if 13 he did any wells around aquifers. All of his 14 information was about southern Illinois. 15 MR. HERR: Could you state a specific 16 question? What I heard was a comment. 17 MR. PERSCHALL: Okay. Have you ever 18 had wells over an aquifer? 19 MR. HERR: Yes. 20 MR. PERSCHALL: Have you ever had any 21 problems with them? 22 MR. HERR: Not that I'm aware of. 23 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (26) Pages 101 - 104 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 105 1 MR. PERSCHALL: Okay. Now, the 2 gentleman that's here from the oil company, my 3 question is and I love family owned businesses, 4 but has this family owned business ever had a 5 problem with water, the oil getting into the water, 6 or anybody that you would subcontract to do your 7 work? Has there ever been any spills? 8 MR. MACFARLANE: No, not that I know 9 of. 10 MR. KNAPP: You need to get your 11 microphone on. 12 MR. MACFARLANE: No, not that I know 13 of. Historically I couldn't go back to the 1800's 14 but 15 MR. PERSCHALL: No. But if you were 16 to hit the aquifer, what type of plan do you have 17 to when you drill, what does your company do to 18 clean that up, which is darn near impossible on an 19 aquifer? 20 MR. MACFARLANE: You're going to have 21 to repeat that question because you say when we hit 22 it. 23 Page 106 1 MR. PERSCHALL: Well, if you hit it. 2 MR. MACFARLANE: Hit it how? 3 MR. PERSCHALL: With a spill of oil 4 or chemicals or whatever you're putting in the 5 ground when you drill, if your casing didn't have 6 enough concrete. I mean it's like you guys are 7 interviewing for a job and have a resume. 8 MS. RUDOLPH: I want to make sure 9 that you only ask questions at this time. The 10 reason we're so strict about this, we don't swear 11 you in. You're not under oath, so when you start 12 making statements then 13 MR. PERSCHALL: Right, but I just 14 want to know what type of plan do they have if you 15 hit the aquifer. Are you going to supply water to 16 all the farmers and all of us that live in the 17 country? 18 MR. MACFARLANE: That's a very vague 19 question because now you're saying all the farmers 20 in the region. I don't know how 21 MR. PERSCHALL: The aquifer runs from 22 west of Shirley all the way past Champaign. 23 MS. RUDOLPH: I think Mr. MacFarlane Page 107 1 is saying he cannot answer that question. 2 MR. PERSCHALL: They don't have a 3 plan what they would do? 4 MR. MACFARLANE: Yes, we do have a 5 plan. We have a plan based upon our casing program 6 properly cementing it. 7 MR. PERSCHALL: But what if something 8 happens and you didn't properly cement it and you 9 damage the aquifer? 10 MR. MACFARLANE: We have to address 11 the issue as it comes. 12 MR. PERSCHALL: Thank you, Madam 13 Chairman. Thank you, Board. 14 MS. RUDOLPH: I see a hand way in the 15 back. 16 MS. DANNENBRING: My name is Dawn 17 Dannenbring. 18 MS. RUDOLPH: And your address? 19 MS. DANNENBRING: 208 Kreitzer 20 Avenue. I'm a member of Illinois Peoples Action. 21 We had a number of people here today who are 22 concerned, and this is a follow-up question to the 23 one that you were just asked. I'll preface it with Page 108 1 a comment. It's known that six percent in 2011 and 2 2012 casings in oil and gas drillings drilling 3 across the country failed immediately. Sixty 4 percent are known to fail over time. So how can you 5 say we don't have a plan and we'll develop it as we 6 go when six percent of casings fail immediately? 7 MR. HERR: I've never seen that 8 report. 9 MS. DANNENBRING: That's an oil 10 company report. I just pulled it up on my phone. 11 You say you get your news off the internet. You can 12 get it off the internet. 13 MS. RUDOLPH: Okay. We do not argue. 14 We are not going to argue. If an argument begins, 15 then we'll all go home for a while. 16 MS. DANNENBRING: That was my 17 question. 18 MS. RUDOLPH: Any others with 19 questions? I see a hand at the back right back 20 there. 21 MS. KEYLIN: Good evening. 22 MS. RUDOLPH: Name and address. 23 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (27) Pages 105 - 108 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 109 1 MS. KEYLIN: My name is Margaret 2 Keylin, 304 North Woodlawn, Downs, Illinois. 3 MS. RUDOLPH: Spell your last name, 4 please. 5 MR. KEYLIN: K-E-Y-L-I-N. And I'm 6 not sure which of the two gentlemen, I mean I'm not 7 sure who's best to answer, but I'll just ask. What 8 if you find very little oil but significant gas, 9 would you consider hydraulic fracturing or would you 10 just say that this is not worth anything? 11 MR. MACFARLANE: Based upon an 12 evaluation, we would have the options of there is 13 no gas line so we would not be looking at the 14 economics of a gas not having pipelines. If it was 15 minimal oil, the well would probably be plugged and 16 abandoned. 17 MS. KEYLIN: You talked about a 18 blowout preventer, and I know we've kind of had the 19 BP oil disaster and we've heard about these blowout 20 preventers and all. How can you ensure its safety? 21 MR. HERR: After it's installed and 22 pressure tested. 23 Page 110 1 MS. KEYLIN: One time? 2 MR. HERR: Well, we can do function 3 checks daily. If the drilling process would go on 4 for a week or so then, we can place plugs inside the 5 surface casing and pressure test it again if need 6 be. 7 MR. KEYLIN: Would you do that? 8 MR. HERR: Yes. We could, yeah. If 9 we detect any problem during a function check, we'd 10 probably do repairs and we'd probably say, well, we 11 need to do a pressure test also. 12 MS. KEYLIN: How much oil and gas has 13 to be present to make this a viable producing well, 14 like how much do you have to say yeah, it's a go? 15 MR. HERR: I haven't done an 16 economics calculation on this. I don't know if Jim 17 has or not. 18 MR. MACFARLANE: We would do our own 19 internal, and that is confidential information. 20 It's not needed for the public to know what our 21 economics are in a well. 22 MS. KEYLIN: You talked about 23 perforating at a certain point. Is that a charge Page 111 1 that you set off underneath the ground? 2 MR. HERR: Yes. It's called a shaped 3 charge. Basically it's the same principle as what's 4 used in anti-tank weapons. They create a jet, 5 extremely hot gases and they produce a hole in the 6 steel casing into the cement sheath or through the 7 cement sheath and into the rock. Modern perforating 8 charges, they create a and I just got this data 9 the other day. They create an entry hole of about 10 four-tenths of an inch in steel casing and they can 11 penetrate up to 50 inches. 12 MS. KEYLIN: Fifteen inches? 13 MR. HERR: Fifty inches, not fifteen. 14 MS. KEYLIN: Oh, fifty inches? 15 MR. HERR: Five zero, yeah. 16 MR. KEYLIN: And you say is it 17 like dynamite? 18 MR. HERR: No, actually it's more 19 like almost like a torch. It's not really an 20 explosion. People tend to want to think of it as 21 dynamite or high explosive, but it's more like a 22 cutting torch type mechanism. 23 Page 112 1 MS. KEYLIN: What kind of fuel does 2 it use? 3 MR. HERR: They use special explosive 4 powders and they're configured in a particular shape 5 so that when the powder burns, it's all focused in 6 one direction. 7 MS. KEYLIN: What kind of impact 8 would that have on the earth and would it have any 9 impact above ground in any way? 10 MR. HERR: It has no impact above 11 ground. I've perforated a lot of wells and I've 12 never seen any detrimental effects. I just 13 described the effects. It would produce a small 14 diamond or hole probably fifty inches or so in 15 length into the rock. 16 MS. KEYLIN: And for each well there 17 would just be one of those? 18 MR. HERR: No, we perforate with 19 typically two up to six shots per foot of casing. 20 We also configure the perforating to the thickness 21 of the oil bearing formation. 22 MR. KEYLIN: So you say per casing so 23 is that from the 350 down to the thousand some feet? Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (28) Pages 109 - 112 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 113 1 MR. HERR: No, it would be on the 2 very bottom of the well. A typical scenario that 3 you might encounter, say we have six feet of oil, we 4 have six feet of rock in there that we think is oil 5 productive. Then we would perforate in that six 6 feet only. We don't just go up and down the casing 7 shooting holes in it. 8 MS. KEYLIN: Would that cause some 9 weakening of that structure underneath the land? 10 MR. HERR: No. 11 MS. KEYLIN: No. You mentioned that 12 some muriatic acid was used which is also called 13 hydrochloric acid? 14 MR. HERR: Yes. 15 MS. KEYLIN: And the U.S. government 16 classifies that as a poison, but it's highly 17 corrosive and used for removing rust. Would it have 18 negative effects on your pipes and any of the 19 connective areas like corroding them? 20 MR. HERR: No. First off we put 21 corrosion inhibitors in the acid to protect the 22 steel, and the acid is removed from the rock almost 23 immediately after it's injected. Page 114 1 MS. KEYLIN: What are the corrosion 2 inhibitors made of? 3 MR. HERR: I don't know. There's 4 some types of chemicals that are added to the acid 5 to keep it from eating on the steel. 6 MS. KEYLIN: That would be good to 7 know what those are. 8 MR. HERR: Well, what would you do 9 with the knowledge? 10 MS. KEYLIN: Well, you know, the idea 11 of throwing something down that's highly toxic would 12 not be something that we'd want to have done. 13 MR. HERR: It's all removed from the 14 well and disposed of. 15 MS. KEYLIN: How is it disposed of? 16 MR. HERR: It's reinjected into 17 disposal wells that are designed for that. 18 MS. KEYLIN: Where are those located? 19 MR. HERR: We haven't located a 20 specific disposal well. There are quite a few 21 around southern Illinois that can be used. 22 MS. KEYLIN: So you truck the 23 chemicals down to southern Illinois to dispose of Page 115 1 them? 2 MR. HERR: Yes. 3 MS. KEYLIN: You talked about bottom 4 plugs to protect the oil zone? 5 MR. HERR: Yes. 6 MS. KEYLIN: What is that? What is a 7 bottom plug? 8 MR. HERR: It's a bottom plug in the 9 bottom of the well. 10 MS. KEYLIN: Made of what? 11 MR. HERR: It can be made of cement 12 or it could be made out of cast iron capped with 13 cement. That's the two most common types. 14 MS. KEYLIN: What does it protect? 15 MR. HERR: It keeps the oil zones, 16 any fluids from migrating into or out of the oil 17 zone. 18 MS. KEYLIN: How would you monitor 19 that? 20 MR. HERR: You can't because the well 21 is plugged. 22 MS. KEYLIN: But how do you know that 23 it's securely plugged? Page 116 1 MR. HERR: Because we use procedures 2 that we've used for years. We don't have leaky 3 wells. There's literally thousands of plugged wells 4 in southern Illinois that people farm over and build 5 houses over. 6 MS. KEYLIN: It would be a slow 7 process of leakage. How do you know for sure that 8 they're not leaking way down there? 9 MR. HERR: You can't know that for 10 sure. 11 MS. KEYLIN: Okay. Will there be any 12 noise pollution? How much noise pollution? What 13 kind of noise pollution from the drilling process 14 and then after that for the pumping? 15 MR. HERR: During the drilling 16 process, there will be the sound of diesel engines. 17 There might be some clanging noises from the 18 handling of pipes, noises from trucks coming in and 19 out. Once the well is on production, it might be 20 powered by gas engines so there might be a small 21 we install mufflers on them to quiet them. It could 22 be electrified, in which there would be almost no 23 noise, just the hum of an electric motor. Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (29) Pages 113 - 116 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 117 1 MS. KEYLIN: Is it lit up? Is there 2 light pollution going on there or any kind of 3 lighting? 4 MR. HERR: If there were sufficient 5 gas, we'd have to flare it, burn it off. We're 6 required to do that. There could be some light 7 pollution from that, but we don't light the 8 facilities. 9 MS. KEYLIN: What else comes out of 10 the pipeline besides gas and oil? What else could 11 possibly come up when you're drilling down there? 12 MR. HERR: Salt water. 13 MS. KEYLIN: Just that; nothing else? 14 MR. HERR: No. Rock chips would come 15 up during the drilling process where we've drilled 16 up the rock. 17 MS. KEYLIN: Uh-huh. Would there be 18 any other release of things? I mean I've heard that 19 we have a lot of radon in this area. Is that kind 20 of stuff ever involved in drilling? 21 MR. HERR: Not that I'm aware of. If 22 we did encounter gas, the hydrostatic head from the 23 column of fluid would keep it in the well. Page 118 1 MS. KEYLIN: And that would be a good 2 thing? 3 MR. HERR: Yeah. We obviously don't 4 want radon gas out in the atmosphere. 5 MS. KEYLIN: So do you pump it back 6 down? 7 MR. HERR: No, it would just stay in 8 the well because of the hydraulic pressure exerted 9 by the mud column. 10 MS. KEYLIN: Bentonite, what is that? 11 MR. HERR: It's a clay mined 12 and welled. 13 MS. KEYLIN: Natural clay? 14 MR. HERR: Yes. 15 MS. KEYLIN: If the acid exploration 16 that you're talking about using, I'm not sure of the 17 name of it is but you know what I mean, using acid 18 to explore? 19 MR. HERR: No, I don't understand 20 what you're trying to ask me. I'd like to answer 21 it. 22 MS. KEYLIN: I just didn't get the 23 name of all these things, but just the idea of if Page 119 1 your first method of exploring or gas and oil 2 doesn't work, would you use another method to look 3 for it? 4 MR. HERR: Well, probably not, no. I 5 mean if we put acid into the formation, then swabbed 6 it back and we found out that the formation was not 7 capable of producing at economic rates, then we'd 8 just plug and abandon the well. 9 MS. KEYLIN: And you talked about 10 enhancing treatments. What are they? 11 MR. HERR: I'm not sure I I don't 12 understand the question. Can you give me the 13 context that I said it in? 14 MS. KEYLIN: Well, it came after you 15 talked about the acid exploration thing. You used 16 the term enhancing treatments. I don't know what 17 you were enhancing. 18 MR. HERR: Well, I might have said 19 that we used the acid treatment to enhance 20 production. Maybe that's the context. 21 MS. KEYLIN: Okay. So what is that? 22 What is that acid treatment that you're using? Is 23 that the muriatic acid that you were talking about? Page 120 1 MR. HERR: Yeah. Let's call it 2 hydrochloric acid, same thing. 3 MS. KEYLIN: Yeah, okay. 4 MR. HERR: Yeah, we inject the acid 5 into the formation. It dissolves part of the 6 limestone rock and then we bring it back, and we 7 hope that helps enhance the productivity of the 8 well. 9 MS. KEYLIN: Okay. You drill down 10 and you pull a lot of stuff out to get the hole. 11 Where does all that stuff go? 12 MR. HERR: It's land farmed. Let me 13 ask you what do you mean by stuff? 14 MS. KEYLIN: Well, it's going to be 15 mud and clay and whatever you have to take out to 16 make a hole. 17 MR. HERR: Okay. Well, that's land 18 farmed. 19 MS. KEYLIN: And what is that? 20 MR. HERR: That means we mix it in 21 with the soil. 22 MS. KEYLIN: The soil there on the 23 O'Rourke farm? Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (30) Pages 117 - 120 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 121 1 MR. HERR: Yes. 2 MS. KEYLIN: And I've heard of 3 drilling pits. Is that what we're talking about 4 here at all? 5 MR. HERR: Well, we would dig some 6 drilling pits. 7 MS. KEYLIN: And what are drilling 8 pits? 9 MR. HERR: They're just holes in the 10 earth that contain the drilling fluid. 11 MS. KEYLIN: All right. And the 12 drilling fluid again would be the muriatic acid? 13 MR. HERR: No, Wyoming bentonite. 14 MS. KEYLIN: Wyoming bentonite? 15 MR. HERR: Yeah. 16 MS. KEYLIN: Not mixed with anything 17 else? 18 MR. HERR: There would be some 19 chemicals put in it to help control the properties. 20 Sometimes we use polymers like were used in food 21 production to help enhance the thickness of the 22 drilling mud. 23 Page 122 1 MS. KEYLIN: Do we have like a list 2 of those someplace? 3 MR. HERR: We can provide one. 4 MS. KEYLIN: Do you know if any of 5 them are caustic or toxic? 6 MR. HERR: Sometimes we use caustic 7 soda to adjust the acidity of the drilling mud. We 8 know that the bentonite works best within a certain 9 range and we may mix quantities of caustic in there. 10 MS. KEYLIN: Is there anything 11 radioactive that you use? 12 MR. HERR: No. 13 MS. KEYLIN: Just going at the 170 14 barrel loads per truck that was 15 MR. HERR: Yes. And that number is 16 not correct because that is the number that crude 17 oil hauler is currently hauling and that's on roads 18 with an 80,000 pound load limit. Since then I've 19 had conversations with Mr. Schmidt and I learned 20 that you all have a 72,000 pound load limit on your 21 roads. So we would reduce that volume down. We'd 22 just do a little bit of mathematics and figure out 23 how many barrels we can haul. Page 123 1 MS. KEYLIN: Because oil is lighter 2 than water? 3 MR. HERR: Correct. 4 MS. KEYLIN: If it was water, you'd 5 already be at 74,800 pounds per truck with 170 6 barrels so you'd have to do some work on that. The 7 salt water, where is that disposed of? 8 MR. HERR: It would be hauled to an 9 injection well. We haven't located a specific well 10 at this point. 11 MS. KEYLIN: And your idea of an 12 injection well, would that be anywhere in this 13 county? 14 MR. HERR: I don't think there's any 15 injection wells in this county. 16 MS. KEYLIN: Oh, okay. And the roads 17 that are built to the like if you do the 18 thirteen, there will be roads to each one of those 19 sites built on that land; is that it? 20 MR. HERR: Yes. 21 MS. KEYLIN: That's all. Thank you 22 very much. 23 Page 124 1 MR. HERR: You're welcome. 2 MS. RUDOLPH: Thank you. We're 3 nearing our 10 o'clock time. I think we'll continue 4 with the questions when we continue the hearing. So 5 to those of you looking at the hearing procedure, we 6 are at 2-D, and as many as you want to will be able 7 to question the applicants when we reconvene and 8 then we will move to number three excuse me, we 9 will have moved to number four which will be the 10 time for testimony. We've determined the 11 availability of this room for 12 MS. TURNER: The 21st. 13 MS. RUDOLPH: We'll start with 14 questions on October 21st. 15 MR. DICK: Seven p.m. 16 MS. RUDOLPH: We're going to continue 17 the hearing at that point. 18 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Seven p.m.? 19 MS. RUDOLPH: Seven p.m., excuse me. 20 Thank you. 21 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Will the applicants 22 be present? 23 MR. DICK: Yes. Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (31) Pages 121 - 124 ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 Page 125 1 MS. TURNER: I just have a quick 2 question. Are the tapes from this immediately 3 available online or when are they available online 4 if we want to refresh our memory before we come 5 back? 6 MR. KNAPP: We can make them 7 available tomorrow on the website or if you'd like 8 a 9 MS. TURNER: It doesn't have to be 10 tomorrow. I just wondered if it would be available 11 before since it's going to be a couple weeks. 12 MS. RUDOLPH: Did everyone hear that? 13 You can listen to what was said tonight very soon on 14 the McLean County website, certainly well before the 15 meeting. Any other procedural questions? 16 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Just one question. 17 Would it be possible? 18 MR. KNAPP: I'm sorry, you want to 19 ask one question of the applicant? 20 MS. RUDOLPH: Oh, no. We're just 21 discussing the procedures now. Excuse me. I'm 22 sorry, Dr. Rau. 23 Page 126 1 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Would the final 2 meeting be postponed, the County Board vote? 3 MS. RUDOLPH: Oh, no, the County 4 Board won't be voting until we are all done. So we 5 don't know when that will be. It could be in 6 November. It could be in December. 7 Any other procedural question? Okay. 8 We'll continue this hearing at seven o'clock in this 9 room on October 21st. 10 (Hearing adjourned at 10:10 p.m.) 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Page 127 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS : : 2 COUNTY OF PEORIA : 3 4 I, Paula A. Morsch, a certified shorthand 5 reporter in and for the County of Tazewell, State of 6 Illinois, do hereby certify that the foregoing 7 transcription is true and correct to the best of my 8 knowledge and belief; 9 That I am not related to any of the parties 10 hereto by blood or marriage, nor shall I benefit by 11 the outcome of this matter financially or otherwise. 12 13 14 Paula A. 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118:11,13;120:15 clean 58:21;105:18 clear 32:6;37:9;81:3;98:9 cleared 7:11;37:22 client 80:17;81:11 close 29:23;32:4;73:7; 75:13;86:20 closer 48:6;86:18 closeup 19:7,20 clothes 88:21 club 103:10 CO-2 14:6;52:10 collect 101:15 collected 89:2 collects 29:22 college 49:17 Colonel 40:18 column 62:6,9;117:23;118:9 comfort 21:5 coming 41:3;45:21;67:3; 116:18 commence 9:17;10:20;29:10; 53:3 commenced 27:21 commences 11:2 comment 81:10,11;86:17;87:8, 20;104:16;108:1 commercial (10) 11:18;12:16;13:4; 22:19;23:4,14;26:7; 59:7;80:1;102:23 commercially 79:23 commissioner 10:9;25:5,15;26:18; 34:11 commissioners 10:5 committee 33:16 commode 65:18 common 52:21;56:6;63:3; 78:5;80:10;90:9,20; 115:13 commonly 59:1 communication 16:19;17:5,8,10,12 communities 39:11 community 39:6,12;40:7;41:5 companies 5:17;40:8,11,12; 49:22;50:7,8;51:12; 54:6 Company (30) 5:10,22,23;7:11; 12:9;16:17;17:9;28:20; 35:11;37:15,18;38:21; 40:5,20,21;41:3,16; 42:14;43:17,21;44:5; 49:18;54:9;80:9;82:15; 89:10;92:15;105:2,17; 108:10 compatible 26:5 complete 13:11 completed 28:3,7 completely 30:13;62:12 completing 46:5,9 completion (19) 11:21;13:10,12,21, 22;50:16;54:1;58:2,5; 60:11;64:23;65:21; 77:16;82:7;93:20;94:6, 10,17,23 complex 52:14 compliance 11:7 comply 10:15;55:3 components 70:3 composition 48:19 conceived 60:9 concern 23:20;87:10,14; 102:10 concerned 107:22 conclude 54:14 concludes 32:20 conclusion 16:3;26:13 concrete 22:11;23:2;106:6 condition 85:4 conditions 7:20;11:7;26:16 conduct 3:20;6:8;58:12 conducted 31:12;79:14;88:1 confidential 82:11;110:19 configuration 94:14 configurations 93:22 configure 112:20 configured 94:1;112:4 confirmed 42:12 conform 9:3 conformance 25:19 conforms 26:10 confusing 52:8 confusion 80:14 congestion 25:10 conjunction 61:6 connected 72:6;88:6,9 connective 113:19 Conservation 16:20 Conserve 25:23 consider 93:9;109:9 considerably 29:2 consist 67:12 consistency 95:18 consistent 95:20 consists 13:12;15:3;31:14; 55:7 constitute 3:20 constrained 86:21;95:15 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] casing - constrained ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 construct 8:10;54:19;59:12; 70:9,20;90:15 constructed 15:1;29:9 construction 14:22 consult 85:5 consultant 6:16;38:12;51:13 consultants 6:8 consultation 8:7;76:5 consulting 6:17;50:5;51:21; 60:10 Contact 10:4;54:4,5 contacted 10:9;53:3 contain 121:10 containment 90:15 contaminants 13:19;23:12 content 88:19 contents 32:5 context 119:13,20 continually 74:21 continue (13) 22:17;24:13;40:21; 42:8;47:19;64:5;91:20; 96:4;100:23;124:3,4, 16;126:8 continued 24:11,19 continues 6:2;79:8;87:6 continuous 46:3 contract 50:8;54:8 contracted 6:10,11;21:15,16; 55:5;68:22;71:20 contractor 50:2;51:10,13;54:6, 11,14,21;84:2,3 contractors 6:8;54:7,23 control 12:8,9;44:8;65:9; 121:19 controlled 15:21 controversial 80:12 conversations 122:19 converted 102:6 convey 90:17 conveyed 9:20 conveying 7:4 cools 29:17 copies 35:23 copy 4:3,13;34:12 core 31:6,7,9;56:20 cored 45:4 cores 11:16;27:23 coring 31:4 corn 57:17 corner 9:10;19:9 correctly 58:9;101:14 correlation 14:3,7;23:22 corroded 90:14 corroding 113:19 corrosion 15:6;73:12;113:21; 114:1 corrosive 113:17 corrosiveness 65:11 corrupted 84:22;85:11 cost 50:22;53:4,4,8; 59:16;86:3 counsel 33:14 Counselor 38:20 counties 6:6;78:8,14 country 106:17;108:3 51:14 59:10 County (47) 3:1,22;5:14;7:1;8:3; 10:7,8;16:20;17:2,5, 19;18:17;21:9;24:2; 25:3,6,7;26:18,19,21; 27:13,23;28:12,12; 33:7,10,16,18,18;34:1; 35:19;37:17,18;41:4; 46:8;51:5;68:18;69:6; 75:11,11,18;81:13; 123:13,15;125:14; 126:2,3 county's 17:15 couple 39:21;45:18;69:14; 80:9;92:14;93:15; 125:11 course 48:2;64:17 court 17:13 covers 8:20 cowboys 84:15 create 111:4,8,9 created 68:13 crew 66:15 critical 77:5 crop 19:22;20:6,11,11,12, 13;21:19;24:11,19 cross-examine 48:15 Crude 10:13;39:4;52:9; 95:19;122:16 cubic 14:6 cups 65:22 currently 24:11,13;39:2;45:23; 46:2;50:3,7;122:17 cut 12:21;32:19;56:19; 57:15;59:22 cutting 42:19;43:3;111:22 cuttings 29:18,22;56:17 cylinder 56:21 D dad 89:8 daily 79:9;110:3 Dale 14:11,13 damage 14:17;74:16;75:2,3, 8;107:9 Dana 16:23 DANNENBRING 107:16,17,19;108:9, 16 darn 105:18 data 57:9;69:16;70:4,8, 21;71:3;82:9,13;111:8 date 10:10;21:9 dates 100:13 Dawn 107:16 day (13) 14:7;28:5,9;54:18; 60:9;71:19,21;77:23; 78:7;83:23;99:23; 102:18;111:9 days 78:2;83:21 deal 12:10,12;39:8 decades 16:3 Decatur 45:13,17;50:21 December 28:4;51:5;126:6 decent 101:19 decide 56:18;57:19;77:8 decided 81:5 decision 57:4,9 deemed 12:15;13:3;22:19; 23:3;32:9 deep 11:15;23:18,20;24:1; 26:20;56:15;75:5,6; 89:15 deeper 64:12,17;91:8,13 define 69:12 defined 12:1;79:6 degree 49:16 demonstrate 38:4 denser 30:8 Department (18) 7:14;17:6;18:13; 21:21;22:3;25:3,6; 26:18;27:3;33:10,13; 53:23;55:13;60:2; 72:15;73:15;82:5; 86:19 departments 12:11 Depending 61:4;75:4;85:15; 94:9;95:2 depends 73:21;95:6 deposition 65:9 deposits 26:1 depth (17) 11:6,12,13;13:13; 22:6,18,22;28:17;30:3; 31:1,2,20;55:11;56:13, 23;58:8;61:14 depths 27:18 derrick 94:11 descendant 44:7 descendants 43:22;44:4 described 56:19;79:11;112:13 describes 53:11 describing 78:5 designed 25:10;114:17 desirable 24:12,14;26:8 detail 36:5 details 33:15,20;93:22 detect 110:9 determine 11:18;31:12;68:6,9 determined 124:10 detrimental 21:4;75:12,17,19; 112:12 develop 15:19;34:13;50:22; 108:5 developed 33:14;51:23;53:8 developing 51:22 development 24:16;42:3 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] construct - development ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 device 56:9 devil 81:23 Devonian 28:1,16 DeWitt 27:22;28:12;75:11 diagnostic 32:11 diagonal 19:13 diagram 18:9 diameter 30:5;55:17 diamond 112:14 DICK (17) 3:4,6,8,10,12,14,17; 4:5;5:3;35:2;41:12; 97:6,11;98:17;100:4; 124:15,23 dictate 91:7,14 died 89:13 diesel 116:16 difference 14:10;93:21;94:3,5,5 different 50:7;51:12;58:3; 69:10;73:23;74:3; 93:10;94:9;103:18 dig 55:8;121:5 dikes 90:15 dilute 13:16 diluted 23:10 diminish 24:6 direct 48:13 directed 29:20;79:16 direction 45:21;112:6 directly 78:1 directors 17:8 disaster 109:19 discovered 55:23;71:10;73:5; 87:5 discovery 28:10;29:5 discuss 96:7 discussing 125:21 discussion 96:20 disposal 15:17,19;23:17;63:5; 114:17,20 dispose 63:2;114:23 disposed 114:14,15;123:7 Disregarding 71:7 disrespect 94:3 disrespectful 72:19 dissolve 13:18;23:12;59:2; 65:1 dissolved 62:1 dissolves 120:5 distance 25:12 District 16:20;18:16;20:9; 24:18;25:19,22;26:11; 37:2 divisible 34:3,5 DNR 84:8,17 document 4:3,13;52:15 documented 14:7 documents 19:1;32:23;34:16; 82:5;103:15 dollars 50:11,15;82:13;86:2 dolomite 28:1,2,16,17 dome 69:19 domes 70:10 done (13) 15:10;50:23;60:4; 61:10;69:4;70:12; 81:18;88:1;93:11; 95:12;110:15;114:12; 126:4 down (41) 13:20;30:6,16;31:19; 32:13;41:3;42:6;46:7; 47:22;56:13;59:8,11; 60:23;62:5;64:18;65:7, 8,21;66:1;67:21;68:1; 69:11;78:8;82:16;87:4, 14,16;89:14,16;93:19; 94:4;98:9;112:23; 113:6;114:11,23; 116:8;117:11;118:6; 120:9;122:21 Downs 9:11;17:22;19:3,4; 25:5,14;26:17;52:2; 109:2 Dr (23) 4:6,11;17:14,18; 27:6,7,11;32:20;47:10; 96:11;100:17,19,20; 101:4,11,21;102:2,9, 15,17,22;103:2;125:22 Drainage 20:5;24:22 Drake 3:14;40:18 draping 68:10 draw 69:13,16 drawn 70:15 drill (77) 5:11;7:4,9,15,16; 10:4,21;11:16;18:14; 21:6,8,21,22;22:2,5,6; 25:2;28:3,20;29:8,13, 15,16,17,19;30:1,2,4,4, 7,8,11,19;31:1,2,8,11, 13,18,21;32:2,4,8,11; 39:19;40:22;43:11; 45:22;48:3;50:10;51:5; 53:5,19;54:1,7;55:16; 56:4,13,17,18;61:7; 70:13,18;71:1;85:12, 16;86:1,21;88:17;89:3; 91:20;92:15,22;93:19; 105:17;106:5;120:9 drilled (23) 9:4;11:5;18:2,10; 27:13,14,21;28:7,15, 16;29:23;40:18;51:1,3; 57:6;69:5,7;73:4; 75:10,17;89:16,19; 117:15 Drillers 31:5 drilling (107) 5:16,21;6:5,10;7:18; 8:12,22;9:7,15,16,22; 10:11,18,20;11:1,2,3,7, 11,16,20;12:4,5,22; 13:9,18,22,23;15:1; 18:4,6;19:19;21:11,12, 15;22:9,17,22;24:8; 25:16;26:23;28:11,19; 29:7,10,15,19;30:9,14; 32:1,14;38:11;39:22; 46:2,3,4,9;50:1,9,12, 15;53:3,6;54:5,8;55:9, 10,21;56:3,15;57:5,12, 23;58:4;64:12,17,18, 19,20;77:3,16;79:1; 82:9;83:19,22;87:10; 91:5,11,18,19;93:19; 94:16,20;108:2;110:3; 116:13,15;117:11,15, 20;121:3,6,7,10,12,22; 122:7 drillings 108:2 drink 62:2,4 drinking 88:4,20 Drive 47:3;59:10;69:10; 87:7;101:12 driven 86:7 driving 94:4 drop 99:13 dry 12:16;32:9;51:3,6; 57:10,11;60:11;69:8; 75:18 due 19:16 during (17) 6:10,11;8:12;10:16, 17;11:15;15:8;21:15, 16;23:14;77:4;83:17, 19;95:22;110:9; 116:15;117:15 dwelling 24:10 dwellings 20:12;86:23 dynamite 111:17,21 E earlier 48:12;50:19;51:11; 56:19;79:11 early 14:12;27:15;73:15 earned 49:16 earth 55:8;63:19,21;65:8; 67:21;112:8;121:10 earthquake 14:9,11,17,19;84:20 earthquakes 14:4,8;23:21,23; 74:14,15;75:3,5;90:2 East (19) 5:14;6:23;9:10;16:9; 19:9,11,12,15,16;20:3, 7,11;27:22;28:7,10,14; 29:5;68:5;88:15 easy 70:16 eating 114:5 economic 59:18;119:7 economical 41:22;42:2;45:5 economically 59:14 economics 86:6;109:14;110:16, 21 edge 42:19;43:3 effect 14:18;23:18 effects 14:8;15:23;75:12,17, 20;112:12,13;113:18 efficient 43:4 efforts 35:18 egress 25:9 eight 11:3,9;22:9;29:11; 55:11;94:21 eight-inch 69:14 either 57:10;60:10;70:13, 17;79:21;80:2;91:20 elaborate 44:17 elaborating 78:15 elect 80:4;85:16 elected 70:19 electric 116:23 electrified 116:22 elements 73:20 eliminated 98:7 else 43:13;47:17;57:10; 117:9,10,13;121:17 embark 51:8 emergency 12:11 emerges 30:15 Emory 38:23;40:17;43:22; Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] device - Emory ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 44:4,8 employed 51:11 employee 6:11;21:16;71:21 employees 6:10;21:15;39:5; 40:9 empty 18:21 enable 69:8 encounter 113:3;117:22 encountered 30:21;91:20;92:6 encountering 28:22 encourage 37:4 end 60:12;83:18 endanger 21:4 Energy 51:14 engine 14:22 engineer (13) 6:17,19;7:13;14:13; 23:21;29:22;30:12; 33:7;39:21;49:14,15; 50:6;74:19 engineering 6:21;43:1;49:16; 50:6 engineers 70:14;85:21 engines 116:16,20 enhance (10) 13:15;23:9;64:13,17; 74:23,23;83:3;119:19; 120:7;121:21 enhancing 119:10,16,17 enjoyment 24:4 enough 93:7;106:6 ensure 109:20 enter 8:21 entered 49:22 enters 82:9,11 entire 13:22 entrained 52:9 entrance 19:19;25:13,14 entrances 19:18 entry 111:9 54:20 environment 23:19 environmental 16:12;39:9;51:1 equipment (14) 10:11,13;12:5,12; 16:5;34:7;39:18;42:20; 54:10;55:1,2;59:8,23; 67:20 Eric 3:22;33:7 escape 85:3 Especially 85:18;96:8 establish 41:5 established 40:15 establishment 25:17;26:4 estimated 6:9;10:17;15:9,13,15 estimates 21:14;50:22;53:4,8 et 38:3 ethical 80:6 evacuated 62:13 evaluate 13:15;54:13;57:3; 58:13;67:5 evaluation 17:2;109:12 evasive 102:8 even 16:8;63:15;78:9; 89:7;94:5 evening 96:22;108:21 event 12:8 everybody 37:20;49:3;96:15; 99:6,16 everyone 4:12;48:5;100:10; 125:12 everywhere 61:20 evidence 5:2;56:17 evolved 51:9;52:15 exact 9:8 exactly 36:10;53:14;61:4 examine 56:16,17;74:17; 91:16 examined 31:9;86:8 example 51:12 excavation 55:7 exceed 15:21;54:21 excellent 39:9 except 30:18 excessive 28:22 excuse 15:12;19:12;48:4; 80:13;93:14;124:8,19; 125:21 exerted 118:8 exhibit 5:3,5;16:15 Existing 19:22;20:4;30:2; 70:4;75:10,13 expand 41:3;42:16 expandable 31:15 expanded 6:4;31:20 expanding 42:14 expect 40:13;61:8 expected 11:14;15:14 expend 50:12 expended 89:6 expenditure 86:8 expensive 29:2;32:10 experience 6:15,20;39:12;87:12 experienced 81:23;90:11 experiences 46:8 experimentation 78:8 expert 17:15 experts 75:4 explain 8:2;53:13;54:20; 65:15 explained 18:10;76:17 explanation 33:22 exploration 40:23;45:8;118:15; 119:15 exploratory 6:5;42:4;44:22; 50:20 explore 40:22;43:11;52:12; 118:18 explored 41:1,2 exploring 39:21;45:23;119:1 explosion 111:20 explosive 111:21;112:3 exposes 62:6 expound 79:4 express 102:9 extend 91:12,15 extension 45:8 extensive 68:7;84:6 extensively 63:8 external 73:11 extra 18:20 extracted 15:12,14,16;23:15 extraction 15:12 extremely 12:3;51:15;95:9; 111:5 Exxon 41:1;42:5 eyesight 99:2 F facilities 24:22;39:14,17; 90:10;117:8 fact 84:4 facts 49:2 fail 108:4,6 failed 108:3 failure 102:23 fair 36:8;37:3;78:11; 93:7 Fairfield 66:14 fairly 36:13,14;52:14 fairness 36:4 fall 90:9 familiar 58:20;87:4,12;93:2 family (16) 20:13;38:23;40:8,10, 19;41:2;43:18,20;44:3, 4,6,8;89:1,8;105:3,4 family-owned 5:22 far 41:23;51:17;78:23; 79:1;94:14;95:19 farm 5:13;10:12;20:12; 89:8;116:4;120:23 farmed 12:22;120:12,18 farmers 106:16,19 farming 40:4;57:17;89:9 fashion 80:21 faulting 68:10 favorable 7:1,7;52:3 feasible 59:14 features 20:4 feel 49:8;100:6 feeling 70:23;98:15 fees 34:10 feet (50) 8:3;9:9,10;11:15; 12:19,19,21;14:6;20:1, 2,8;22:6,10,18,23,23; 23:1;24:9,9;27:19; 28:1,2,2,18,18;29:7,23; 30:3,19,22;31:2,6,8,15; 32:19;55:12,15;56:15; Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] employed - feet ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 69:15;71:15,15;77:4; 86:18;91:4,9,19; 112:23;113:3,4,6 felt 48:1 Fesenmyer 44:7 few 16:2;30:18;49:11; 50:17;51:7;61:14;88:8; 95:23;114:20 fiberglass 15:6 field (16) 6:20;14:13;16:9; 28:7,8,11;29:6;42:21; 55:23;70:3;73:21,22; 74:20;83:21;87:4; 88:11 fields 16:8;27:16;73:5 fifteen 56:3;71:14;88:16; 111:12,13 fifty (11) 11:14;39:5;41:17; 56:15;61:12;77:4,18; 86:2;111:13,14;112:14 figure 72:10;95:16;122:22 file 78:10;82:5,18 fill 22:21;30:13;57:16 filled 12:23;15:2;23:1,6; 32:18 final 13:1;60:4;126:1 finally 19:20;27:3;89:12 find 40:2;43:11;48:21; 52:21;86:14;109:8 finding 73:1 fine 100:7 finish 60:9 Finnigan (13) 3:4,5;60:19;61:7,17; 62:20;63:12;84:19; 85:10;86:11;87:1;98:3; 99:12 fire 12:10;77:8 first (23) 5:3;8:16;9:8,12; 21:23;36:13;37:12,17; 40:17;49:12;72:3,7; 79:6;99:23;101:9; 102:3,18;103:6,14,15, 17;113:20;119:1 five (14) 9:7;21:9;25:8;27:1,2, 21;29:22;31:15;66:11; 88:15;98:17,20;99:14; 111:15 flare 117:5 flat 20:5 flood 63:15;88:11 flooding 63:8 floor 30:1 flow 12:2;23:13;32:1; 62:15 fluid (10) 55:9;58:14;62:5,9; 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68:3;71:21;82:15 good (18) 16:22;33:2;40:1; 43:12;47:15;51:1; 58:15;60:15;61:12; 71:1;73:16;80:7;85:15; 88:17;100:22;108:21; 114:6;118:1 Google 76:13 gospel 102:6 govern 26:4 government 10:5;113:15 governs 84:12 grain 34:4 granted 80:17 grants 53:23 grasshopper 59:9 gravel 89:17 gravity 95:19,23 great 39:12,13;40:6 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] felt - great ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 great-grandchildren 44:1 great-great-grandchildren 44:2 grid 68:5 ground (10) 12:21;32:19;54:12; 63:2;67:23;95:20; 106:5;111:1;112:9,11 group 37:15;48:19;81:13 groups 49:1 grow 42:8 grown 48:9 guess 49:11 guy 54:17;77:22 guys 106:6 H half 11:11;13:4;22:18; 23:4;31:1;74:20;78:14 Hamilton 6:6;51:5 hand 4:22;103:6;107:14; 108:19 handle 29:3 handling 116:18 handout 74:2 hands 34:21 happen 78:1;84:19,22;85:12 happened 85:11 happens 107:8 happy 33:3;88:11 harass 70:14 hard 89:5 harmony 16:12 hats 50:4 haul 95:17;122:23 hauled 123:8 hauler 95:14;122:17 hauling 10:13,15;95:13; 122:17 Haven 89:14 HCL 64:1 head 117:22 headquartered 6:1 health 17:6;21:4;25:3 hear 5:8;47:12;48:5;76:3; 79:12;96:22;100:1,11; 125:12 heard 36:7;47:6;56:19; 76:13;101:13;104:16; 109:19;117:18;121:2 hearing 100:21;101:7;124:4, 5,17;126:8,10 hearings 96:8 heavily 63:3;80:11;84:8 height 95:6 held 82:10 help (11) 17:15;33:3;50:21,22; 51:7;53:13;72:18,19; 78:16;121:19,21 helped 51:4 helps 67:5;120:7 Here's 19:5,7,8,10,16 Herr (142) 6:17,18;14:12,18; 35:6,6;36:6;38:9; 39:20;41:7,10;45:1,10, 12;47:13;49:6,7;60:15, 22;61:10,22;63:1,14, 20;64:4,7,10,13,16; 65:17,20;66:8;67:1,13, 17;69:2;71:12;72:17; 73:19;74:7,10,19; 75:14,21;76:10;77:1,6, 12,19;78:22;79:3; 81:21;83:8,10;85:1,14; 86:16;87:3,19;90:5,8; 91:16;92:4,18;93:1,17; 94:1,16,19;95:21; 101:17;102:1,5,13,16, 19;103:1;104:15,19, 22;108:7;109:21; 110:2,8,15;111:2,13, 15,18;112:3,10,18; 113:1,10,14,20;114:3, 8,13,16,19;115:2,5,8, 11,15,20;116:1,9,15; 117:4,12,14,21;118:3, 7,11,14,19;119:4,11, 18;120:1,4,12,17,20; 121:1,5,9,13,15,18; 122:3,6,12,15;123:3,8, 14,20;124:1 hide 37:4 high (13) 20:21;50:13;68:14; 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66:11;113:13;120:2 hydrostatic 117:22 I idea 14:18;33:2;60:9; 61:9;114:10;118:23; 123:11 identified 7:1;14:16;38:14; 69:1 identify 56:23;68:23;82:23 IDNR (21) 7:15,15,19,20,21; 8:18;11:7;12:17;13:2; 15:16,17,19;16:4;22:1, 8,20;23:17;24:8;72:20; 83:6;85:5 ie 12:16 ignore 91:15 III 35:7 Illinois (55) 5:15;6:4,18,18;7:14; 8:8;12:2;14:4,11;16:7; 18:12;21:21;35:8; 41:20;42:9;45:8,13,14; 49:10,15,18,21;50:19; 51:5,16;52:5;53:22; 56:2,3;63:9;66:14; 70:7;72:15;74:15;75:3; 76:6,16;78:14;79:4,10, 15;87:12,21;88:4,14; 89:15;101:12;103:14; 104:12,14;107:20; 109:2;114:21,23;116:4 Illinois-based 6:7 imagine 69:12 immediate 24:5,7 immediately 108:3,6;113:23; 125:2 impact 16:12;87:14;112:7,9, 10 impede 24:16 implications 87:15 implying 72:20 importance 8:6 important 36:20;37:20;66:22 imposed 7:21 impossible 105:18 improved 12:4 inaccurate 101:22 inactive 14:10 incarnate 81:23 incessantly 70:15 inch (10) 11:4,12;13:4;22:9, 18;23:5;29:11;31:1; 55:11;111:10 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] great-grandchildren - inch ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 inches 111:11,12,13,14; 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71:9;88:12,13 larger 11:4;73:4 last 44:22;45:19,21; 51:12;73:2,8;79:15; 99:19;109:3 late 27:15;73:5 later 8:2;34:18;47:12; 48:3;59:15;92:16; 104:7 law 79:15 lawyer 38:17;81:8,9 layers 8:17;13:7,8,9;92:8 league 87:20 leak 90:14,16 leakage 116:7 leaking Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] inches - leaking ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 116:8 leaks 11:11;56:11;71:22; 90:17 leaky 116:2 learned 76:10,20,21;122:19 lease 7:4,11;8:20;9:1,3,20; 24:9;52:13 leased 7:10;14:23;53:21 leases 52:12;53:20 least 10:3 leave 57:12;58:1;96:12,14 led 47:23 left 32:15;38:9;40:3; 66:16;99:9 legal 15:21;33:14;52:14; 63:3;80:6 length 16:1;30:5;31:3,5; 32:5;92:2;112:15 38:9 Leroy 19:4 LESA 20:15,18,19 less 29:2;32:10,10;67:21 lets 59:5 level 32:19;50:14;60:1; 81:22;91:10 leveled 16:6 Lexington 27:17 libraries 70:6 library 70:8 licensed 6:18;7:12;49:14 life 60:12;61:15,16;80:8; 83:18;95:22 lift 62:18 light 117:2,6,7 lighter 123:1 lighting 117:3 lightning 90:10,12 likely 85:14;86:9 limestone 59:3;64:9,22;65:2; 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23:12,20;33:5;35:14; 36:7;47:4;49:18;56:18, 19;58:17;59:9;62:14; 73:20,22;77:18;95:5, 10;122:9 maybe 71:15;72:9;95:23; 119:20 McFarlane 41:11,13 McLean (16) 3:1,22;5:14;7:1;8:3; 16:19;24:2;26:21; 27:13;28:11;37:17,18; 68:18;75:10,18;125:14 mean (20) 44:11;55:21;61:19; 67:15;69:1;71:13; 72:19;73:3,18;83:23; 84:12;91:9;94:3; 103:21;106:6;109:6; 117:18;118:17;119:5; 120:13 means 20:20;43:18;96:15; 120:20 meant 84:9 measure 66:12 measures 25:8;71:22 mechanical 49:16;85:4 mechanism 69:22;111:22 meet 10:2 meeting 57:8;99:13;125:15; 126:2 meetings 49:11 meets 26:14 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (10) leaks - meets ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 member 107:20;124:18,21; 125:16;126:1 members 3:19;33:5;34:15; 35:17;49:8;60:14; 78:12;92:11;101:8 memory 125:4 Memphis 49:17 men 54:9 Menard 28:19 mention 32:22;50:13;78:3 mentioned 50:19;57:13;68:22; 75:9;76:4;113:11 merely 63:2 Meridian 6:23 merits 36:16 met 23:23;24:1,7,18,23; 25:11,21;26:12 meteor 90:8 method 119:1,2 methods 85:8 Michael 3:8,22 microphone 47:21;105:11 microphones 4:15 mid 41:17 mid-sized 41:2 might (27) 33:2;60:17;65:6,11, 13;69:6;70:10,23;73:8; 75:23;76:3;84:7;85:16, 17;90:8,12,14,16;92:6; 94:4,10,12;113:3; 116:17,19,20;119:18 migrated 61:3 migrates 69:23 migrating 115:16 Mike 35:22;47:1;48:6 miles 16:9;27:22,22;28:23; 75:6;88:15;89:21 millions 14:5 Minard (15) 5:10;17:9;35:11; 38:14,20;42:5;50:8,17; 51:19;53:2,18;70:18; 77:11;78:1;92:19 mind 38:6;92:6 minds 57:8 mined 118:11 mineral 7:6;26:1;52:16,21, 23;88:19 minerals 74:11,11;88:22 minimal 15:23;16:11;109:15 minimize 25:10 minimum 55:15 minutes 32:3,3 misconceptions 37:21 misstate 81:10 mistake 102:21 misunderstandings 37:22 mix 120:20;122:9 mixed 121:16 mixture 29:16 mobile 55:2 mobilize 29:2 Modern 111:7 Monday 97:6 money 80:2;86:7,8 monitor 42:21;115:18 month 33:19 months 51:7 moral 80:6 morals 21:5 more (16) 30:9;31:8;36:5; 43:19;44:17;45:1,19; 58:19;62:23;67:20; 71:10;93:22;95:10; 101:19;111:18,21 morning 33:17;66:13 most (10) 26:8;54:6,23;60:22; 77:5;85:14;88:12;90:9, 20;115:13 mostly 73:19 motor 116:23 mounted 10:21;22:5;29:12; 94:20 move 49:3;55:2;56:4;70:2; 95:3;124:8 moved 11:1;12:20;13:9,10, 21;45:7;49:17;55:6; 124:9 movement 75:8 moves 62:13 moving 40:20 MRHERR 72:22 MROC (14) 5:10,19,21;6:3,7,12, 16;7:4;8:5,10,21;9:2,5; 10:20 MROC's 5:18;16:10 Mt 6:18;27:18;35:7; 49:9;87:21;88:5,15; 89:20 much (18) 52:10;60:8;61:5,22; 66:5,5,18;67:6;72:11; 73:2;79:6;82:21;85:23; 95:21;110:12,14; 116:12;123:22 mud (28) 11:3;12:22;13:18; 22:22;23:12;29:7,9,15, 16,19,20,21,21;30:9, 12,15;32:1,15,16;46:7; 57:13;64:18,19;91:18; 118:9;120:15;121:22; 122:7 mud-filled 30:7 mufflers 116:21 muriatic 13:16;23:10;58:18; 113:12;119:23;121:12 must 7:22;25:4;26:17; 42:14;54:17 mutual 52:17 myself 49:11,13,23;53:6; 79:6;90:12 N name (13) 35:6,9;47:1,2;50:10; 101:10;103:11;107:16; 108:22;109:1,3; 118:17,23 names 34:23 narrative (17) 5:5,15;10:10;16:14; 17:18;18:12,15;27:6, 11;32:20;37:15;48:11; 53:11;57:14;58:19; 72:13;76:15 narratives 35:22 Natural (16) 7:14;14:6;18:13; 21:22;26:1;39:4;53:23; 55:14;60:2;61:23;62:1; 72:15;73:15;82:6; 86:19;118:13 naturally 88:19,22 nature 26:6 near 28:13;66:14;89:18; 105:18 Nearby 24:10,12,18 nearing 124:3 necessarily 98:14 necessary (10) 10:19;13:15;15:19; 24:22;30:13;52:11; 54:10,19,19;55:8 need (23) 21:20;25:13;35:4; 48:6;53:8;54:22;55:3; 68:21;71:12;72:11; 78:20;79:2;85:6;91:8, 12,14;95:11;98:17; 99:15;100:17;105:10; 110:5,11 needed 9:19;50:23;92:5; 110:20 negative 113:18 Nelson 4:6,10,11;17:12,14, 18;27:6,7 Nelson's 27:11;32:20 nested 31:14 neutralizing 89:6 New (11) 6:3;37:16;39:3;43:9; 45:23;46:2;55:20; 68:18;78:7;81:1;89:14 news 100:22;108:11 next 16:15,19;28:6;54:13; 57:17;81:9;97:3;98:8 NICOR's 27:16 night 97:1 nodding 59:11 noise 116:12,12,13,23 noises 116:17,18 None 55:20;81:18 non-oil 63:6 normal 34:9 North (16) 5:14;6:22;9:10; 19:10,11,11,17;20:1,2, 7,10;27:22;28:14;68:6; 88:7;109:2 northeast 46:6;89:10 northern 28:12 northwest 19:14 northwestern 51:16 notch 40:13 Note 13:6,21 notice 83:16 noticed 4:17;48:20 notification 9:23 November 27:20;99:17;126:6 nowadays 76:11 nowhere 103:20 number (27) 9:6;10:17;15:8; Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (11) member - number ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 19:21;21:3;22:1;24:3, 15,21;25:8,17;26:9,16, 20,21,22,23;27:1,4; 72:12;88:13;102:7; 107:21;122:15,16; 124:8,9 numbers 101:17;102:5,19 numerous 51:12;73:6 O oath 106:11 observation 27:14 observed 27:23;32:6,6 obtain 10:6;21:20;22:2; 25:4,13;26:17;54:18; 58:6;82:9 obtained 7:5,8;10:7,20;21:23; 25:2;27:2;53:22 obtaining 25:15;42:2;95:4 obvious 86:5 obviously 37:5;80:12;87:9; 118:3 Occasionally 90:12 occupied 24:10;86:23 occur 75:7;90:16 occurred 74:15;75:5,23 occurrence 90:11 occurrences 90:21 occurring 12:7 occurs 8:15 o'clock 96:5;124:3;126:8 October 7:19;97:5,6;99:20; 124:14;126:9 off (20) 12:21;13:21;23:17; 31:20;32:19;43:12; 49:12;54:20;57:15,16; 58:22;59:22;62:6,9; 92:5;108:11,12;111:1; 113:20;117:5 Office 33:1;36:1;48:17; 84:10 officers 43:17 officials 10:5,8 Ohio 89:18 Oil (178) 5:10,12,16,22;6:2,19, 20;7:2,3,5,9,10,11; 8:14,22;9:3,18,20,22; 10:13;11:13,23;13:17; 14:13,23;15:4,4,6,11, 11,13,20,23;16:7,8,9, 17;17:9,16;18:5,5; 20:7;21:6,21;22:2; 23:3,13,16,16;24:8; 25:16;26:23;27:12,23; 28:5,7,8,10,14,20;29:5, 6;31:10,11,13;32:1,6,8; 34:4;35:11;38:20;39:2, 4;40:2,18,18,21;42:7, 13;45:6;46:11;47:7; 48:21,22;49:18;50:1,4; 51:12;52:3,4,5,7,10,13, 13,17,20;54:1,6;55:19, 23;56:18;58:8,22; 59:15,16,21;61:3,5,6,8, 17,18,22;62:5,11,13, 14,16,19,23;63:4,10, 10;64:22;65:14;66:3; 68:14;69:7,20,21,23; 70:1,2,3;71:1,9,22; 73:21,22;74:20;78:5, 11,19;82:8;83:21;84:8; 85:3,23;86:3,14;87:13; 90:19;92:15;95:13,14; 101:16;102:3,12; 105:2,5;106:3;108:2,9; 109:8,15,19;110:12; 112:21;113:3,4;115:4, 15,16;117:10;119:1; 122:17;123:1 oil-bearing 12:4 Oklahoma 42:17 old 32:13;73:7;78:2; 90:13;103:14 older 85:18;86:10 oldest 5:22 Once 29:9;55:5;56:8;57:6; 70:12;116:19 one (42) 4:15;6:11,12;8:16; 10:18;11:14;15:9,12; 19:17;21:3,16,17,19; 26:16;30:5;31:3,5; 40:17;45:4;52:14; 62:20;63:5;77:19;78:2, 3,16;81:13;83:3;85:20; 86:4,15;99:3;101:15; 103:17;107:23;110:1; 112:6,17;122:3; 123:18;125:16,19 ones 75:13 online 125:3,3 only (17) 11:20;29:6,7;32:11; 37:11;46:15,21;65:3; 69:13;71:14;76:3;78:9; 99:1,2,14;106:9;113:6 on-site 6:16;60:2 open 25:23;29:7;30:6; 32:15;65:18;82:19; 97:11 opened 62:2 openings 32:4 operate 39:2;50:3,5;52:20; 73:3 operated 88:9 operating 50:6;59:17 operation 5:21;14:14;16:17; 25:18;26:5;33:21;37:2; 58:9;90:2 operations (15) 6:4,9,21;9:17,22; 41:3;42:21;74:22; 83:12,18,22;84:12,14; 91:1;93:2 operator 5:19;6:19;9:20;10:1, 2;52:16 opinion 7:7 opportunity 36:15;48:14 opposing 96:13 options 109:12 order 3:2;7:17;53:20 orderly 24:16 ordinance 17:10;21:1;25:21; 26:15;37:1,1 oriented 39:7 originally 88:5 O'Rourke (16) 5:13;7:6,18;8:10,23; 9:3,9;10:21;11:15; 12:18;16:10;17:11,12; 28:19,21;120:23 ors 98:14 Osco 16:23 others 40:7;103:4;108:18 otherwise 5:6 out (54) 12:20;13:10;20:16, 17,19;21:19;31:3,17; 33:15;42:6;49:2;56:6; 59:20;61:9;62:3,17,19; 66:2,3,6;69:11;71:8,10, 19;72:2,10;77:21;82:6, 18;84:10,12,15;85:23; 86:15;87:19;89:16,19, 22;90:9;95:16,20; 98:23;99:13;102:10, 20;115:12,16;116:19; 117:9;118:4;119:6; 120:10,15;122:22 outcome 36:16 outer 22:11;23:6;31:15,16 outlined 17:22 outreach 42:8 outside 29:18;80:21;81:15 outstanding 39:15;40:11;61:13; 62:14 over (23) 6:20;12:23;14:14; 27:12;28:6;39:2,5,5; 52:15;61:3,15,16;62:3; 68:10;79:9;81:6;95:5, 6,12;104:18;108:4; 116:4,5 overview 5:16 overweight 54:23;55:1;95:2,4,12 own 7:6;50:4;54:6;66:9; 70:6;74:6;88:5,8; 110:18 owned (12) 9:21;39:1;40:9;41:2; 43:18,20;44:13;50:2; 52:18;53:1;105:3,4 owner 9:16,17,22;10:1,2; 38:12;52:16,18;53:1 owners 17:11;40:1;74:6 ownership 74:3 owns 9:18;44:5 P package 38:22;50:20 packers 31:15,20 pad 67:20 paid 83:10 pain 49:8 paper 48:17 paraffin 65:9 parcel 19:23 Pardon 94:23 part (15) 16:15;22:12;23:6; 27:15;52:19;57:15; 62:16;64:23;67:9;72:1; 78:6;87:22;95:13; 103:17;120:5 participate 36:9 particular 17:7;45:14;51:8,18; 52:23;68:12;83:22; 95:6;112:4 parties 46:14;101:8 parts 48:10 party 37:6 pass 5:4;16:18 passed 32:23;34:17;43:16; 79:15 passersby 16:9 passing 19:1 past 51:4;75:11;106:22 pay 59:16 pencil 70:15 penetrate 11:12;111:11 penetrated 91:22 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (12) numbers - penetrated ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 penetrates 30:20 (12) 6:1,3;35:13;39:4; 43:7,9;44:1;45:20,22; 46:3;51:4;93:9 people (28) 4:20;5:7;6:14;12:11; 35:19;39:11;40:7; 41:17;48:20,21,22; 50:14;52:9;53:13; 58:20;73:23;85:5; 88:22;90:23;95:4; 96:12,14;98:12;100:2, 11;107:21;111:20; 116:4 Peoples 107:20 per (12) 15:9,13,15;28:5,8; 67:7;102:13,18; 112:19,22;122:14; 123:5 percent 108:1,4,6 perfectly 63:3;80:6 perforate 11:21;112:18;113:5 perforated 83:2;112:11 perforating 13:13;58:10;110:23; 111:7;112:20 perform 58:9;84:14 performance 38:3 performed 83:3 perhaps 34:18;68:19 periodically 83:12 permission 38:7 permit (32) 5:11;7:15,16,17,19; 9:2;11:7;18:12;21:20, 23;22:1;25:14,15;27:2; 33:10;34:9,10;37:19; 53:9,22;54:3;55:13; 63:17;78:9;80:15,16; 81:1,12,15;92:15,22; 96:13 Permits (11) 7:21;10:6,19;22:2; 34:6;45:22;54:15,19, 23;78:23;95:5 permitted 15:17,19;23:17;24:6, 17;28:12 permitting 34:9 PERSCHALL (16) 103:7,13,13;104:1, 10,17,20;105:1,15; 106:1,3,13,21;107:2,7, 12 person 4:19;53:21 personally 73:3;80:7 perusal 33:2 petition 36:17 petitioner 37:14 petroleum 6:17;49:14;50:5; 70:14 pH 65:5 phase (11) 6:11,12;14:20;16:2; 21:16,17;23:14;48:23; 77:16,16,18 Phil 35:23 phone 54:18;108:10 photograph 19:5,6,8,20 photos 18:17;19:8 physical 45:15;56:20;57:1; 62:4;71:13;79:1 physically 55:10;59:2;65:1 pick 47:7;48:17 picked 36:1 picture 69:17;77:21 pictures 103:18 piece 36:23 pinpoint 70:9 pipe (22) 22:11,12;23:7,8; 29:3,7,13,13,16,19; 30:2,4;31:16,16,19,22; 32:3,4,5;56:5;84:21; 85:10 pipeline 117:10 pipelines 109:14 pipes 31:14;90:17;113:18; 116:18 pit 29:9,21 pits 12:22,23;15:2;55:8; 57:16;121:3,6,8 place 30:19;62:4;71:1; 85:8;86:22;110:4 placed 12:19,23;13:20; 30:23;77:20;82:21; 84:5 plan (11) 17:23;18:3,3,6;85:6; 105:16;106:14;107:3, 5,5;108:5 planner 17:2,19 planner's 18:17 planning 49:9;72:14 Plano 17:1 plans 63:14;79:17;80:2 plat 9:12;17:21 played 54:18 please 3:2;34:21;35:1; 84:16;94:18;100:18; 101:10;103:12;109:4 plug 12:18;57:12;59:21, 22;85:6,7;115:7,8; 119:8 plugged (13) 12:17;16:4,7;22:20; 31:16;45:6;59:19; 60:11,12;109:15; 115:21,23;116:3 plugging 60:3;77:14,17;83:17; 84:1 plugs 110:4;115:4 plunger 65:18,21 pm 124:15,18,19;126:10 PO 35:7,12 point (18) 33:5;34:5;38:16; 47:23;53:2;57:4;59:13, 16,19;77:19,22;81:22; 101:7;103:18;104:3; 110:23;123:10;124:17 points 20:16,16,17,18,19, 19,20;62:20;96:1 poison 113:16 pole 94:12 police 81:19 policies 84:13,17 polite 60:18 polluted 88:18 pollution 116:12,12,13;117:2, 7 polymers 121:20 pop 52:10 positions 36:11 possibilities 52:3 possibility 80:15 possible 9:13;18:1;20:17; 46:10;125:17 possibly 90:17;91:8;117:11 postponed 126:2 potential 8:11;22:14;42:10; 57:3,11 potentially 42:12;91:6 pound 33:22;95:13;122:18, 20 pounds 29:6;34:8;123:5 powder 112:5 powders 112:4 Power 103:18 powered 14:21;116:20 practiced 63:8 predict 85:17,19 prediction 102:3 preface 107:23 prefer 4:20 preliminary 54:5 preparation 53:10 prepare 13:10;53:4;55:6; 69:9 prepared 10:23 preparing 10:9 present 36:18;37:13;61:5; 83:17,19;88:14; 110:13;124:22 presentation 36:13;49:5 presentations 38:22 presented 36:14;38:1 preservation 87:10 press 35:2,5 pressure (17) 11:10;12:3;28:22; 29:4;30:17;31:23; 56:10;61:19,23;62:7,8, 12;85:2;109:22;110:5, 11;118:8 pretty 60:8;61:22;68:17,20; 79:6;86:5;95:19,21 prevent 12:7 preventer 11:9;29:3;56:10; 109:18 preventers 12:6;109:20 pride 39:6,13,13;40:6 primarily 36:6;37:14;38:2; 83:13 primary 52:6 Principal 6:23;94:5 principle 111:3 prior 25:6,15;26:19;51:18 Private 44:14;70:6 privately 44:12 probably (26) 4:6;36:5,10;49:1; 56:2;59:11,13;62:8; 71:14;76:1,9;77:21; 78:13;79:21;80:7; 84:11;85:1;89:21; 90:20;94:2;96:9; 109:15;110:10,10; Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (13) penetrates - probably ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 112:14;119:4 probes 67:23 problem 17:7;75:23;90:22,22; 95:17;99:12;104:10; 105:5;110:9 problems 12:13;65:11,12; 104:21 procedural 125:15;126:7 procedure 22:12;55:19;57:22; 60:3;104:5;124:5 procedures 56:1;84:13,16;116:1; 125:21 proceed 35:14;47:4;56:12 process (44) 9:15;11:20,21;13:12, 22;34:10,11;36:5,8; 48:2,16;49:4;53:11; 54:2;55:1,22;56:15; 57:5;59:4;60:8;62:4; 63:4,7;64:2,20,23; 65:3;67:9;69:4;78:19, 22;79:7;81:7;82:7,9; 83:20;91:12;96:13; 101:7;110:3;116:7,13, 16;117:15 processes 5:17;63:5;78:4; 79:17 Proctor 16:23 produce (16) 7:5;39:4;40:22;42:7, 12;45:5;52:13;59:5,13; 63:17;64:22;67:8; 69:17;79:23;111:5; 112:13 produced 15:11,18;16:11; 60:11;61:6;65:10,14 producer 6:2 produces 28:8 producing (14) 11:13,23;13:17; 46:11;48:3;59:12;63:4, 7,10;67:2;72:11;78:6; 110:13;119:7 product 59:1 production (59) 5:12,17;6:12;8:15, 22;11:19;12:16;13:4,5, 14,19;14:12,15,20; 15:8;16:1,2,3;19:22; 20:6,11,11,12,14,22; 21:17,19;22:19;23:4,5, 8,10,11,14;24:11,19; 28:4;57:11,19;58:15, 16,17;59:16;67:10; 71:8,11;72:2,14;74:23; 77:17,21;85:19;87:6; 101:19;102:3,11; 116:19;119:20;121:21 productive 57:3;59:4;113:5 productivity 13:15,16;58:13;59:6; 64:14;67:5;120:7 profession 38:11 Professional 6:19;7:13;27:8; 49:14;53:13;81:23 profitability 86:9 program 39:15;45:8;46:4; 107:5 progressed 53:7 project 34:7;39:20;51:2,8 prominent 43:23 promising 31:11 promote 64:17 promulgated 73:14;84:17 proof 15:6 properly 16:1;45:6;47:6; 56:12;60:4;107:6,8 properties 40:3;45:15;121:19 property (21) 16:21;17:11,21,23; 18:2,16;19:2,4,6,8,9, 15;20:21;21:8;24:5,6, 10,12,17;36:23;38:14 propose 75:22 proposed (18) 5:12,19;7:9;8:9; 13:23;16:10;19:18; 21:3;22:5;24:3,15; 25:3,12,20;26:9;76:7; 90:3;96:19 proposes 28:20 proposing 21:6,7;22:4 prospect 42:11;51:18,23 prospects 51:22 prosperous 41:6 protect (10) 8:11,14;22:8;25:23; 59:21;73:11;91:13; 113:21;115:4,14 protection (13) 7:23;8:5,17,18;11:8; 13:8;22:14;52:17; 55:15;72:17;73:14; 91:5;92:9 protects 30:21;72:23 proud 42:22 provide 5:16;17:13;25:9; 26:2,3;50:6;54:11; 122:3 provided 24:23;25:12;26:15 provides 9:23 providing 8:16;36:14 PSI 62:8,10 Public (15) 14:1;20:6;21:5,13; 25:10;27:5;68:20;70:5; 78:13;79:14;82:10,12, 14;103:8;110:20 publicly 44:11 pull 42:22;48:6;66:2,2; 120:10 pulled 30:4;31:3;108:10 pump (11) 13:20;14:21;30:16; 59:8,23;64:18;67:8; 71:14,16;79:13;118:5 pumped 29:15;30:9;62:17 pumper 77:22 pumpers 71:18 pumping 63:19,21;116:14 pumps 62:18 punch 58:11 purposes 24:5 push 62:11;63:10 put 39:16;58:16;59:7; 65:6;66:5;67:4;113:20; 119:5;121:19 putting 63:23;64:1;106:4 Q quality 36:19;38:3;70:1; 88:17 quantities 15:18;122:9 quarter 9:11;55:11 quick 41:14;93:16;125:1 quickly 65:4 quiet 38:17;116:21 quit 78:2 quite 44:18;52:21;53:12; 55:2;86:9;90:1;95:3; 114:20 quorum 3:20;98:17;99:16; 100:8 R radioactive 122:11 radon 117:19;118:4 rain 89:2 raise 4:21;34:20 raised 29:10;32:4;82:2 raising 57:17 ran 42:11;80:20 Range 5:14;6:23;28:14,17; 122:9 rare 12:3 rate 58:14,15,17;79:13; 80:11;93:19,20 rates 119:7 RAU (21) 46:22;47:2,2,5,10, 15;96:11;100:17,19, 20;101:4,11,11,21; 102:2,9,15,17,22; 103:2;125:22 reach 59:15;82:23 reached 30:3 react 37:23 read 5:9;17:19;27:11; 32:23;35:22;36:8;37:8; 48:12;103:16 readings 57:1,3 ready 53:2,19;54:3;67:10 real 93:16 really 36:21;58:14;61:11; 62:14;68:21;87:2; 88:11;95:10;111:19 reason 67:9;72:23;73:10; 106:10 reasonably 85:20 recall 49:19 received 18:14;36:13;72:13; 92:15 receiving 92:22 recent 6:3 reclaimed 15:2 recognize 94:2 recommendation 80:19 recommended 33:17;78:17 recommends 26:13 reconvene 124:7 record 27:11;39:10;70:5; 82:10,12;103:17 recorded 67:22 recording 68:4 recovered 31:7;32:8 recovering 31:7 recovery 56:20;85:18 red 17:22;19:3,7 reduce 122:21 redundant 36:7;37:7 reel Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (14) probes - reel ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 71:5 re-enter 85:9 refer 58:20,23;59:17; 94:20 reference 80:20;81:4 referred 18:14;58:1;63:7; 86:12 refers 79:13 refrain 12:13 refresh 125:4 regard 17:16;27:7;86:22,23 regarded 40:23 regarding 33:9;34:16;46:16,16; 47:11 region 39:5;106:20 regulate 93:4 regulated 14:1;21:13;27:4; 63:3;79:10,12;80:11; 84:9 regulation 73:13;79:16 regulations 26:11;45:7;66:6,8 regulatory 39:8 reigns 42:22 reinjected 114:16 related 10:11,13;18:2;104:7 relationship 40:12;41:5;51:9,20; 53:7 relatively 5:6;20:5 release 117:18 reluctant 102:6 remain 30:19 remaining 22:23;85:20;86:3 remains 16:12;61:4 remedy 92:2 remove 13:18;23:12;55:7; 59:23 removed 16:5;32:5;65:2; 113:22;114:13 removing 10:23;113:17 Rend 87:21,22;88:5,6; 89:21,22 repairs 74:22;110:10 repeat 105:21 repeated 30:3;37:8 repetitive 53:18 replace 86:4 replaced 86:10 replacement 85:22;86:1 report (22) 5:9;16:15;17:3,3,4, 20;18:17;19:21;20:15, 15,19;33:6;34:16; 48:11;78:17;80:19; 81:5;83:1;84:18; 101:22;108:8,10 reported 75:20 reporter 17:13 reporting 84:6 reports 75:12 represented 49:1 reputation 82:4 request 21:2 requests 9:2 require 8:3;55:8;72:5;78:9, 10 required (10) 8:18;10:6;17:9;22:7; 34:7;72:2,15;83:16; 91:4;117:6 requirement 91:9 requires 24:8 rerun 48:10 reserve 34:17;61:10 reserves 85:20 reservoir (10) 56:21;61:3;62:5,7; 63:10,16;68:10;70:1; 79:20;93:10 reservoirs 60:22;79:22 residences 20:13;24:13 residential 26:7 Resources (12) 7:15;18:13;21:22; 26:2;51:14;53:23; 55:14;60:2;72:16; 73:15;82:6;86:19 respects 26:10 response 47:18 responsible 5:20 rest 18:23;97:2 restoration 13:2;60:6,7 restore 57:16 restrict 13:19;23:13 restrictions 10:12,14 result 42:16 results 52:1 resume 17:14,20;106:7 resumes 11:11 retain 42:10 retained 38:10 retired 89:9 returned 16:6;49:21 returns 78:10 revealed 8:8;76:6 review 17:15;20:18 reviewed 27:9 reviews 7:16 rezoning 36:22 rig (30) 10:21;11:1;12:20; 13:9,10,21;22:5;28:20, 23;29:1,2,10;50:2; 54:5,9;55:5,9,10;56:4; 57:23;58:1,2,2;59:20; 65:21;66:15;94:16,17; 95:6,10 rigged 11:2 right (25) 4:22;7:4;8:21;19:3; 34:17,21;40:4;41:9; 43:6;46:22;52:12;54:1; 58:16;64:4;69:3;70:14; 72:12;73:18;74:6; 75:18;89:11;102:15; 106:13;108:19;121:11 rights (10) 7:7,9;9:18,19,22; 52:16,17,22,23;80:17 rigs (15) 10:11;12:5;50:3; 54:7;56:3;58:3,4,5,5; 93:23;94:6,10,20,23; 95:8 River 89:18 rivers 89:18 road (37) 10:5,6,7,8,12,14; 19:10,10,11,12,12,15, 16,17,23;20:2,3,6,7,7; 21:18;25:4,5,14;26:17, 18;33:14,22,23;34:11, 12;42:6;54:15,20; 71:17;94:4;96:7 roads 14:23;20:8;24:22; 25:1;122:17,21; 123:16,18 roadway 72:4,8 Robert 6:17;17:14;35:6 rock (16) 23:9;56:21;57:1,2; 59:3;61:1;64:22;91:16, 18;111:7;112:15; 113:4,22;117:14,16; 120:6 rocket 86:5 rocks 31:13;61:2 rods 13:19;59:20;94:8 Roebuck 84:11 rogue 38:5 roll 3:3 room 97:11;124:11;126:9 rose 29:7 rotated 31:22,22;32:3 rotating 29:17 round 31:5,7 Route 103:14 row 99:6 RUDOLPH (88) 3:1,10,11,19;4:2,5,8, 12;18:22;32:21;34:14, 23;35:4,14;41:7;43:16; 44:10,14,16,20;45:9, 11;46:12,23;47:4,9,16, 19;48:4;60:13;68:16; 71:7;72:9,18;73:17; 74:1,8,13;75:9,16;76:4, 19;77:2,13;78:12,23; 90:1,7;92:10;93:13; 96:3,19;97:4,8,15,19, 21,23;98:6,11,19,22; 100:1,5,10,16,20; 101:6;103:4,9,11,23; 104:2;106:8,23; 107:14,18;108:13,18, 22;109:3;124:2,13,16, 19;125:12,20;126:3 rule 84:10;91:15 rules (11) 8:19;10:15;12:17; 16:4;22:21;55:4;72:20; 73:13;85:7;86:20;92:9 Run (27) 5:10;13:5;17:9;23:5; 28:19;35:11;38:20; 42:5;43:13;44:6;50:8, 17;51:19;53:2,18; 56:18,21;57:7;58:7; 61:11;68:5;70:18,19; 77:11;78:1;83:23; 92:19 running 94:8 runs 62:3;68:6;106:21 rural 88:14;89:8,12 rust 113:17 S Sable 16:23 safe 25:12 safeguards 53:15 safety Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (15) re-enter - safety ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 21:4;23:18;39:14,15, 15;109:20 Salem 88:7,11 saline 23:18;24:1;26:20 saline/salt 23:20 Sally 3:10 salt (27) 14:5;15:5,10,11,14, 15,18,21;23:15,16,18; 24:1;26:20;60:20,20; 61:1,4,5;62:21,22;63:1, 5,6,9;73:18;117:12; 123:7 same (14) 10:12;37:1;42:20,23; 43:1;57:22;62:4;74:6; 82:2;94:2;95:22;98:2; 111:3;120:2 samples 29:22;58:6 Sandstone 27:18;91:19,22 Sangamon 39:22;44:17,19,20; 45:13 sat 49:10 satisfactory 60:6 saw 94:4;103:6 saying 69:20;83:6;106:19; 107:1 SCADA 43:2 scale 65:12 scaled 68:4 scenario 113:2 schedule 100:13 Schmidt (12) 3:22;33:7,13;54:16; 93:14,15,18;94:13,18; 95:18;96:2;122:19 science 86:5 scientific 88:1 score 16:22;20:15,17,18, 20 screen 18:18 seal 23:2;31:20;32:17 Sears 84:11 seas 60:23 season 46:7 second 5:4;8:15;38:8;57:20; 92:7 secretary 3:3;5:2 Section 5:13;6:22;9:11;21:1; 26:15;28:13 securely 115:23 sedimentary 61:1 seeded 75:5 seeking 38:6 seem 36:7;61:12 seems 71:3 seismic 7:3;42:11;52:1; 67:11,19;70:19,19; 71:3 sell 43:12 semi 10:17;15:8 semis 95:1 send 50:14 sends 67:21 sense 36:22;68:1 separated 23:16 separator 15:5;18:6 served 49:8 service 10:13;40:8,12;50:3; 59:20 services 12:11;40:14;50:7 set (20) 7:23;8:4;11:6,9; 22:16;24:8;26:14; 30:16;32:16;55:14; 56:5,8;59:9;72:7;82:6, 13,18;84:12;92:4; 111:1 sets 57:14 Seven (12) 3:19;6:9;20:23; 21:14;26:9;33:9;73:8; 83:21;124:15,18,19; 126:8 seven-inch 11:5;22:10;30:5; 55:17 seventy 77:18;101:16 seventy-five 73:7 several 39:1;49:10;50:11,14; 65:23;73:3;80:8 severed 52:22;74:10,12 shaken 62:2 shale 91:21 shall 27:2 shallow 28:21 shape 54:12;112:4 Shaped 11:19;23:7;58:10; 111:2 share 78:11 shareholders 43:21 sheath 11:22;58:12;111:6,7 Shell 41:1 shifting 75:7 Shirley 103:14;106:22 shock 67:21 shoot 70:19 shooting 113:7 shot 68:1 shots 112:19 show 18:18;68:9,10;91:7, 11;96:13;104:4 showed 103:20 shower 89:5 showing 9:12;17:21;18:1,15; 19:5,6 shows 18:5,7,9;27:23;31:9, 11 shut 30:16;46:7 side 20:1,2;29:14;36:12; 81:8 sides 20:10;29:19 sight 25:12 sign 84:4 significance 76:17 significant 96:1;109:8 Silurian 28:1,17 similar 10:5;32:13;86:13 Simon 27:18 single 20:13;94:12 sip 56:6 sit 72:3;75:22 site (44) 7:9;8:10;10:4;11:2; 13:1;15:7,20;17:2,23; 18:2;19:8,19;20:14,16; 21:11,18;23:17;25:2; 27:5;28:13,23;29:4,21; 30:19;38:15;55:6; 56:16;60:5;68:23; 71:13;72:4,8;76:8; 77:4,6,9;78:18,20; 84:3;86:12,14,17;87:2, 7 sites 11:1;16:6;21:22; 22:4;23:19;24:8; 123:19 sits 38:9;48:19 sitting 66:16;71:19 situation 12:10;52:23;91:6; 92:3 situations 39:9 six (15) 11:11;22:17;25:17; 27:4;30:23;33:9;98:12; 100:2,11;108:1,6; 112:19;113:3,4,5 sixteen 16:9;20:8;75:6 sixty 73:6;108:3 size 15:20;19:23;41:16, 17,23;84:11;93:21; 95:2 sizes 10:14 sky 90:9 11:4 slots 31:17,23 slotted 31:14,22 slow 116:6 slurry 30:8 small 29:1,3;41:17;49:16, 21;71:9;112:13;116:20 smaller 10:22;58:1 soap 89:5,6 soda 52:10;122:7 sodium 73:18,19 soft 62:2,4 software 43:1,2;68:7 Soil 16:20,21,22;20:15; 120:21,22 soils 16:22,23 solely 5:20 solid 12:18 Somebody 60:16 someday 77:16 somehow 84:22;85:11 someone 9:21;43:13 someplace 122:2 sometime 72:9 sometimes (12) 15:11;23:15;43:11; 52:8;61:5;63:1;65:9; 90:23;95:5,10;121:20; 122:6 somewhat 53:18 sonic 68:3 soon Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (16) Salem - soon ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 9:17;125:13 Sooner 59:15 sorry 35:4;41:12;47:10; 92:21;93:14;99:2; 125:18,22 sought 37:19 sound 116:16 source 8:11;76:11;87:15 sources 22:8,14;87:11,16,17; 88:4,13 south 19:16;20:5,12;35:13; 45:12,16;59:10;68:6 southeast 9:11;16:10;19:4 southeastern 51:15;89:15 Southern (14) 16:7;28:11;52:19; 56:2,3;63:9;78:6; 87:12;88:14;104:12, 14;114:21,23;116:4 southwest 9:10;19:14;45:16 space 25:23;30:10,14 spaced 86:15 spacing 86:20 sparked 28:11 speak 56:2;67:16;103:7 speaking 76:1 special (25) 5:11;7:20;9:2;21:3; 24:3,15;25:4,18,20; 26:9;36:18,21;37:2,19; 53:9;54:3;58:6;80:15, 16,22;81:1,7,12,14; 112:3 specialized 94:8 specializing 12:9 specific 66:15;95:19,23; 104:15;114:20;123:9 specifically 39:7;67:14;69:1; 79:16;80:18;81:4 specifics 53:17 specified 92:9 specifies 55:14 specify 7:22 Spell 109:3 spend 50:15;82:12 spill 106:3 spills 105:7 Spindletop 55:22 spins 65:4 split 43:8 spoke 100:20 spot 87:13 spring 10:16 spudded 27:21 stacked 65:23 staff (23) 3:21,22;4:18,18;5:8; 16:15;17:4,15,19; 19:21;26:13;27:9;33:6; 34:16;46:13;53:13; 77:11;78:17;80:19; 81:9;83:10;92:11; 101:21 staffed 40:5 stage 42:8;53:18 staked 7:12 stand 49:4;96:13 standard (10) 23:23;24:1,7,18,23; 25:11,21;26:12;55:19; 56:1 standards 20:23;26:14;33:9 standing 18:20 standpoint 86:9 start 55:10;59:12;60:9; 97:9;106:11;124:13 started 50:18 starting 47:22;99:21 state (18) 7:20;8:8;18:12; 34:23;39:3;43:9,23; 49:15;52:19;67:14; 70:7;76:6,16;78:6; 82:18;101:10;103:11; 104:15 stated 51:11;68:18;71:8 statement 84:4 statements 106:12 states 25:21;41:21;63:4; 93:3,4 stating 74:16 statute 80:20,21;81:4 stay 36:23;81:14;118:7 stead 73:16 steel (13) 8:13,15;11:22;13:8; 15:4;29:12;58:11; 72:14;73:11;111:6,10; 113:22;114:5 steering 94:22 stem 11:17;28:3;29:8; 31:12,13;32:2,8,11; 56:18 step 54:13 Stephen 8:22 steps 53:15 stewards 51:1 still (10) 8:10;28:8;43:17; 44:5,8;45:23;73:5; 78:13;88:7;92:8 stimulation 79:18,19 stock 44:10 stockpiling 10:23 stood 73:16 Stop 104:1,2 stopped 34:5 storage 14:23;15:4,5;27:16 stored 27:17;90:19 streams 26:1 streets 25:11 strict 106:10 strictly 46:16;73:11 strike 90:10,12 string 8:12,15;31:3;57:20; 92:7 structure 68:9,11;113:9 studies 7:3;88:1 stuff 55:21;117:20; 120:10,11,13 SU-14-05 19:22 subcontract 105:6 subject 10:11,14;84:8 submitted 16:16;27:10 Subsequent 72:5 substantially 24:6 subsurface (11) 7:2;39:19;51:19; 69:4,15,18;70:3,9,11, 21;71:2 successful 9:5;39:23;41:4;42:2; 79:21 succession 46:5 suds 89:7 sufficient 11:12;29:4;31:23; 70:1;117:4 suggest 98:11 suitable 24:19,20 summer 51:13 supervising 14:14 supervisor 77:7,9;84:4 supplied 27:6 supplies 8:14;22:8 supply 106:15 support 5:18;40:8 supposed 84:14 sure (20) 4:17;8:1;33:20; 36:10;48:7;56:11;67:3; 71:16;74:9;75:14; 93:17;100:19;101:13; 106:8;109:6,7;116:7, 10;118:16;119:11 Surely 60:15 surface (73) 7:6,22,23;8:4,4,14, 21;9:16,17,18,21;10:1, 2;11:6,10;12:6,20,21; 13:6;16:5;22:7,10,12, 13,13,16,23;23:1,7; 29:20;30:15,17,18,20, 23;31:9,17;32:15,17, 18;39:19;52:18,22; 53:1;55:18,20;56:4,5, 8;57:22,23;59:23; 62:15,17;67:20;69:12, 13,13;74:2,4,12;82:23; 84:3;85:3;86:22;88:4, 13;90:10;91:4,17;92:7; 104:11;110:5 surrounding 11:22;20:9,10;24:17 Survey 8:8;70:7;76:6,16 surveyor 7:13 surveys 7:3;52:1;56:22;57:6; 58:8;70:20;88:2 suspect 36:3 suspected 11:13 suspended 10:16 swab 13:14;32:10;65:22; 66:3;94:7 swabbed 13:17;119:5 swabbing 59:4;65:2,16;66:17 swear 34:20;106:10 swearing 4:20 swivel 29:14,15,23;30:1 swore 4:18 sworn 4:8,10,11;34:22; 37:12;45:11 system 87:23;89:8,12 systems 43:2;88:14 Min-U-Script® ADVANTAGE REPORTING SERVICE PHONE: [PHONE REDACTED] FAX: [PHONE REDACTED] (17) Sooner - systems ---PAGE BREAK--- IN RE: APPLICANT OF MINARD OIL RUN COMPANY BRADFORD, HEARING October 7, 2014 T table 14:19 tag 54:18 talk 60:19;87:11 talked (11) 16:17;90:1;93:18,21; 104:11,12;109:17; 110:22;115:3;119:9,15 talking 4:3;61:15;77:3; 101:1,1;118:16; 119:23;121:3 tank 14:22;15:3,5;16:5; 18:3,5;66:16;90:18 tankage 72:3,5;90:14 tanker 101:15 tanks 15:4;59:12;60:1; 71:23;72:6,7;90:13,13, 15 tapes 125:2 target 68:11,12 tax 78:10 technical 77:11 technicians 40:6 techniques 12:5;78:4 technology 42:18,20,23;43:3; 55:21 telling 76:20 temporary 65:3 ten 29:23;31:6,8;49:20; 73:8;94:21;95:1 tend 71:5;73:2;102:6; 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